Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 20:15:39 +0200
Reply-To: Raimund Feussner <ray@V6BUS.DE>
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From: Raimund Feussner <ray@V6BUS.DE>
Subject: Re: closing slider quietly
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The noise coming from the door pivoting into the latch (85+),
is often enough a missing rubber insert on the slider rail front end
(talking about the track below rear side window, not upper/lower).
For the roller to pivot inwards, it hits the front 90° angle of the
sliding track and if rubber is mising there, it´s a horrible
steel-to-steel clunk
Raimund
Am 13.08.2020 um 19:46 schrieb steve meassick:
> I installed this kit a number of years ago. It did make the rolling quitter, but by no means silent. Also, you still had pretty much the same noise as the door pivoted in during the final closing phase. The noise at this time is not due to rolling.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List On Behalf Of Kenneth O'Connor
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 12:43 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: closing slider quietly
>
> I think this is the kit you mentioned:
>
> https://total-bus-bekloppt.de/produkt/vw-bus-t3-schiebetuer-lagersatz-auch-ab-8-84-92-mach-deine-schiebetuer-leise/
>
>
> Wow, that seems spricey to me!
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:24 AM Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de> wrote:
>
>> In Germany, there is a vendor that sells a roller bearing kit for
>> newer
>> (85+) doors, the rollers´ surface is made completely out of
>> teflon/nylon/rubber(?)
>> I have those in my glovebox, not yet installed. But from what I heard
>> (rumors and personal experience on sliders equipped with them),
>> they´re really quiet.
>>
>> Picture:
>> http://www.v6bus.de/rollers.jpg
>>
>> Regards
>> Raimund
>>
>> Am 13.08.2020 um 18:20 schrieb David McNeely:
>>> First, thanks Alistair for clarifying the confusion that has been
>>> bandied about.
>>>
>>> Now, the important part: Many later model campers DO have hard
>>> closing sliding doors, with attendant noise. I now know some of the
>>> fixes for that, regarding new and remodeled parts, plus proper
>>> lubrication. Some even use a special tape on the door roller track
>>> to help silence that. I believe you are one of those. BUT, being a
>>> fabricator, do you think a handle could be fitted to the rear of the
>>> door interior? If so, how
>> would
>>> you suggest one do so?
>>>
>>> Thanks so much for all the good ideas you have put on here over the
>> years,
>>> even thanks for those I have not used (most of them, lacking
>>> technical skills like yours).
>>>
>>> mcneely
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 8:22 AM Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Raimund,
>>>>
>>>> My 82 diesel Westy, North American model, had the rear handle on
>>>> the sliding door. Mounted, as mentioned on a square boss that was
>>>> welded to
>> the
>>>> door structure. When I got the van the handle was oriented
>>>> vertically,
>> ie
>>>> hanging down. Took me a few years to realize it could be re
>>>> installed on the boss so it lay horizontally. Made grabbing it a
>>>> tad easier. And
>> yes, it
>>>> was the spring loaded handle same as at the front off the door.
>>>>
>>>> My 86 Syncro , again North American model. Does not have the rear
>>>> handle nor the mounting boss.
>>>>
>>>> I think it’s safe to say the rear handle was dropped when the door
>> design
>>>> was changed in 85.
>>>>
>>>> Post 85 doors in good working order close so much easier than the
>>>> older doors that the additional pull using a rear handle ain’t
>>>> needed when you are trying to do that soft slow close :-)
>>>>
>>>> Alistair
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Part number front/rear handle is probably identical.
>>>>>
>>>>> Makes sense.
>>>>> I have a 85+ sliding door, and am pretty sure it does not have
>>>>> that square mounting stud in the rear.
>>>>> The square stud still has to be the same as the square one on the
>>>>> front release mechanism.
>>>>>
>>>>> Never had the chance to check out a pre-85 door though...which
>>>>> probably has the rear stud welded to it post-factory, because I
>>>>> know there is no "bump" underneath the usual doortrim.
>>>>>
>>>>> Raimund
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 12.08.2020 um 21:53 schrieb vw_van_fan_Mark:
>>>>>> inside sliding door handle VW # 253 843 642 sold used Ebay etc,
>>>>>> new replicas? from GoWesty
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> https://www.gowesty.com/product/handles-trim/2286/inside-sliding-door-
>> handle-
>>>>>> I think many 80-84 Campers had the second one at the back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Raimund Feussner wrote:
>>>>>>> Hmmm, if it´s unique, it should have its own part number.
>>>>>>> If it´s used anywhere else, we could do a parts search with its
>> number.
>>>>>>> The later style front slider door handle is this:
>>>>>>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UYEAAOSwbNZc4WzX/s-l640.jpg
>>>>>>> Looks very similar, from Jim´s photo I looked at...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ready to learn something new. Can someone check the discussed
>> handle´s
>>>>>>> P/N ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could be from an LT as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Raimund
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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