Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:38:36 -0700
Reply-To: Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
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From: Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
Subject: Re: closing slider quietly
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Hi Richard,
Did the same, extensively, on the old 82 westy. I don’t recommend it on the front doors. Well maybe that was my application method, but it slightly peeled and got caught in the moving mechanism.
Anyway, also did it on the removable panel in the slider door. The outside track. Did the same on my 86 Syncro. I thought that panel resonated the noise of the sliding door. Didn’t seem to improve a lot, maybe a little.
I think, on the post 85 sliders, the two small bearing that are horizontal on that exterior track are the noise makers. I’ve got the rest of the bearings in Delrin, except those two. I think stalled there due to finding the right bearing that has a smaller od so I could press over a Delrin or poly urethane cover, and had the same ID.
I think it’s doable .
Alistair
> On Aug 13, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Count me in as a Peel & Seal user. Did it about 12 years ago. Fully under seat pedestals. Fully under front floorboards. Fully inside front panel (goofy to call it a firewall). Haphazard distribution as far as my arm could reach inside front doors and slider door. It's so easy and cheap. Clean off inside surface of sheet metal with rag and alcohol or some solvent; you DEFINITELY don't want to have this sticky stuff falling off years down the road, it's a real mess if on your window mechanisms. Slice off bits with a utility knife and have at it. No "asphalt" or tar smell after all these years. But, I will admit that sometimes I get some goo running down into front door step-in area; I think it is because of the superheating going on due to radiator. Overall: I'm pleased, great bang for the buck. No....doors are not like a Lexus...but way better. Think of a Kettle Drum at an orchestra; the primary tactic is to mess up the harmonics by fixing a slab of heavy material on those flat surfaces. I even noticed some of those rubbery parts in my 85 interior doors; apparently VW gave it a shot.
>
> As far as slider awful sound? Clean it; lube it. The grit....ugh....that's the awful sound.
>
> Rich
> San Diego
>
> On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 3:21:39 PM PDT, Dan N <dn92610@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I use the Peel and Seal too ... it's not as thick and sound proof as Fat
> Mat... but it's working good and way cheaper...
> the trick to using it is to heat the surface lightly with a heat gun or
> hair dryer before putting it on.
> :-)
>
>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:11 PM OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> This is the stuff I like to use ~ No Need to cover all
>> surfaces, just any area that is Flat >
>>
>>
>> https://www.lowes.com/pd/Peel-Seal-Instant-Waterproof-Repairs-6-in-x-25-ft-Aluminum-Roll-Flashing/1018733
>>
>> Is truly amazing how much nicer the Front Door Closings Sound ~
>>
>>
>>> On 13 Aug , 2020, at 12:11 PM, Kenneth O'Connor wrote:
>>>
>>> Regarding the FatMat, any risk of it holding moisture / enabling rust?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:02 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes,
>>>> Some fat mat in my slider made a big difference in sound. It is
>>>> still a door shutting but more of a quiet thunk and not a tin bell.
>>>>
>>>> Eric Caron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Smith (Smirby) <smirby@GMAIL.COM>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think all of us would benefit from a form of sound deadener in the
>>>> doors. It is my understanding that the last couple of years (90/91?) had
>>>> insulation in the sliding door that helped in this regard.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve never opened my door panel on my ’87 but if the clips keep
>> breaking
>>>> off I will have it off soon enough (two of the clips are now
>> self-tapping
>>>> screws with washers on them…). When that happens I will look into
>> putting
>>>> something in there - maybe peel’n’stick left over from my house roof…
>>>>>
>>>>> Biggest difference for me is keeping the lower track free of grains of
>>>> sand/gravel - that takes the “grumble” away (and presumably ensures the
>>>> bearings last a bit longer).
>>>>>
>>>>> With my ’85, I did a major cleaning and found that the middle track had
>>>> some rust/pitting and I was able to clean that up with sandpaper and
>> smooth
>>>> out the rumble a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> …r
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 10:46 AM, steve meassick <stevem@TDHVAC.COM>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I installed this kit a number of years ago. It did make the rolling
>>>> quitter, but by no means silent. Also, you still had pretty much the
>> same
>>>> noise as the door pivoted in during the final closing phase. The noise
>> at
>>>> this time is not due to rolling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List On Behalf Of Kenneth O'Connor
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 12:43 PM
>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: closing slider quietly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think this is the kit you mentioned:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> https://total-bus-bekloppt.de/produkt/vw-bus-t3-schiebetuer-lagersatz-auch-ab-8-84-92-mach-deine-schiebetuer-leise/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, that seems spricey to me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:24 AM Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Germany, there is a vendor that sells a roller bearing kit for
>>>>>>> newer
>>>>>>> (85+) doors, the rollers´ surface is made completely out of
>>>>>>> teflon/nylon/rubber(?)
>>>>>>> I have those in my glovebox, not yet installed. But from what I heard
>>>>>>> (rumors and personal experience on sliders equipped with them),
>>>>>>> they´re really quiet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Picture:
>>>>>>> http://www.v6bus.de/rollers.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Raimund
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 13.08.2020 um 18:20 schrieb David McNeely:
>>>>>>>> First, thanks Alistair for clarifying the confusion that has been
>>>>>>>> bandied about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, the important part: Many later model campers DO have hard
>>>>>>>> closing sliding doors, with attendant noise. I now know some of the
>>>>>>>> fixes for that, regarding new and remodeled parts, plus proper
>>>>>>>> lubrication. Some even use a special tape on the door roller track
>>>>>>>> to help silence that. I believe you are one of those. BUT, being a
>>>>>>>> fabricator, do you think a handle could be fitted to the rear of the
>>>>>>>> door interior? If so, how
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> you suggest one do so?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks so much for all the good ideas you have put on here over the
>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>>> even thanks for those I have not used (most of them, lacking
>>>>>>>> technical skills like yours).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mcneely
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 8:22 AM Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Raimund,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My 82 diesel Westy, North American model, had the rear handle on
>>>>>>>>> the sliding door. Mounted, as mentioned on a square boss that was
>>>>>>>>> welded to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> door structure. When I got the van the handle was oriented
>>>>>>>>> vertically,
>>>>>>> ie
>>>>>>>>> hanging down. Took me a few years to realize it could be re
>>>>>>>>> installed on the boss so it lay horizontally. Made grabbing it a
>>>>>>>>> tad easier. And
>>>>>>> yes, it
>>>>>>>>> was the spring loaded handle same as at the front off the door.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My 86 Syncro , again North American model. Does not have the rear
>>>>>>>>> handle nor the mounting boss.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it’s safe to say the rear handle was dropped when the door
>>>>>>> design
>>>>>>>>> was changed in 85.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Post 85 doors in good working order close so much easier than the
>>>>>>>>> older doors that the additional pull using a rear handle ain’t
>>>>>>>>> needed when you are trying to do that soft slow close :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alistair
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Raimund Feussner <ray@v6bus.de>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Part number front/rear handle is probably identical.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Makes sense.
>>>>>>>>>> I have a 85+ sliding door, and am pretty sure it does not have
>>>>>>>>>> that square mounting stud in the rear.
>>>>>>>>>> The square stud still has to be the same as the square one on the
>>>>>>>>>> front release mechanism.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Never had the chance to check out a pre-85 door though...which
>>>>>>>>>> probably has the rear stud welded to it post-factory, because I
>>>>>>>>>> know there is no "bump" underneath the usual doortrim.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Raimund
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 12.08.2020 um 21:53 schrieb vw_van_fan_Mark:
>>>>>>>>>>> inside sliding door handle VW # 253 843 642 sold used Ebay etc,
>>>>>>>>>>> new replicas? from GoWesty
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> https://www.gowesty.com/product/handles-trim/2286/inside-sliding-door-
>>>>>>> handle-
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think many 80-84 Campers had the second one at the back.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Raimund Feussner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, if it´s unique, it should have its own part number.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If it´s used anywhere else, we could do a parts search with its
>>>>>>> number.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The later style front slider door handle is this:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UYEAAOSwbNZc4WzX/s-l640.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks very similar, from Jim´s photo I looked at...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ready to learn something new. Can someone check the discussed
>>>>>>> handle´s
>>>>>>>>>>>> P/N ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could be from an LT as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Raimund
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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