Date:         Thu, 1 Apr 2021 08:25:26 -0700
Reply-To:     Bruce Todd <beeceetee@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Bruce Todd <beeceetee@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Centre bores Syncro Wheel option
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I checked into buying Ultra wheels (the Alpines) in Canada and found they
were about $255/ rim (CDN) not including tax.  I've been searching for
alternatives online as I would like to spend a bit less.  Although I
considered 17" rims, I've pretty much decided to go with a 16x7 so that I
can look at moderately aggressive all terrain tires - the Rotiiva is in the
group of comparables which all hover around 27" full tire diameter.  Most
of the rims that seem applicable in terms of load rating and bolt pattern
are around a 38 to 45 ET.  According to the literature out there - the
ideal ET is 30 to 35 - so I am wondering if 38mm is cutting it a little
close especially for the fronts?

There is a pretty good wheel site called Canada Wheels that allows you to
search wheels with multiple filters.  RWC, Vision, and ION wheels all have
wheels that look to work - the ION 103 in particular looks nice to me but
is not in stock anywhere.

Bruce





On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 7:22 PM Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> For Syncro consider this wheel. Reasonable cost, direct fit, and 1,800
> pound load capacity.
> Amazon.com: Ultra Wheel 402S Alpine Silver Wheel (17x8"/5x112mm, +32 mm
> offset): Automotive<
> https://www.amazon.com/Ultra-Wheel-Alpine-Silver-5x112mm/dp/B005GVU4XQ/ref=sr_1_14_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=ultra+wheel+17X8&qid=1617242993&sr=8-14-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyNklWVkJFQVkzT04mZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA2MzAwMTUzWTlENVFLR1gyUlYmZW5jcnlwdGVkQWRJZD1BMDQ0MDE4MzJHWEpKTlhaWUNZNVMmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl
> >
> For 2WD these wheels will need 3 to 5 mm spacers up front.
>
> And then this very heavy duty all terrain tire at 27.2 inches.
> Nokian Rotiiva AT 215/60R17 D/8PR Tires (tires-easy.com)<
> https://www.tires-easy.com/215-60-17/nokian-tires/rotiiva-at/tirecode/T431102
> >
>
> Dennis
>
>
> From: Mike Miller <mwmiller6@att.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 1:16 PM
> To: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com; Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: Centre bores
>
> Well they're 30 offset [I hope anyway, can't tell from the website selling
> them on ebay] and my son didn't need spacers or longer studs on his syncro
> so I shouldn't either? I hope.
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021, 10:10:38 AM PDT, Dennis Haynes <
> d23haynes57@hotmail.com<mailto:d23haynes57@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Check the fit. The Syncros are more forgiving for wheel fit up front but I
> think the Eurovan offset is wrong so you may need spacers. On a Syncro that
> also means longer studs which up front means wheel bearings.
>
> Dennis
>
> From: Mike Miller <mwmiller6@att.net<mailto:mwmiller6@att.net>>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:36 AM
> To: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com<mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>; Dennis
> Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM<mailto:d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>>
> Subject: Re: Centre bores
>
> My son is giving me 4 eurovan steel 16 inch wheels. I'm buying another for
> a spare. What size should the center bore be for a syncro?
>
> Mike
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021, 6:23:46 AM PDT, Dennis Haynes <
> d23haynes57@hotmail.com<mailto:d23haynes57@hotmail.com><mailto:
> d23haynes57@hotmail.com<mailto:d23haynes57@hotmail.com>>> wrote:
>
>
> 72.62mm is a common size in the aftermarket wheel offerings. Centering
> rings are used for those applications that call for a hub centric fit.
> Syncro fronts with the original alloy wheels are hub centric. The AR95T is
> that size bore.
>
> Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com<mailto:
> vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com><mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com<mailto:
> vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>>> On Behalf Of Bruce Todd
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2021 8:19 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM><mailto:
> vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM<mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>>
> Subject: Re: Centre bores
>
> Thanks Ben,
>
> There are a number of wheels out there with a 72.62 centre bore that line
> up with appropriate load rating, ET, and bolt pattern.  I don’t have my van
> with me at the moment to see whether 6 additional mm would be too tight to
> the bolt holes.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2021, Ben T <syncro@gmail.com<mailto:
> syncro@gmail.com><mailto:syncro@gmail.com<mailto:syncro@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
>
> > Most people use a 2-5/8” bore for convenience’s sake. That’s 66.675 mm.
> >
> > Is there any particular size you are considering? I have not heard of
> > anyone making the bore larger as the Mercedes wheels also came in 66.7
> mm.
> > I would trust making them bigger than what has been proven by their
> > engineers. The bigger that bore, the cozier they will be with the
> > holes for the lugbolts/studs.
> >
> >
> > BenT
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 30, 2021, at 5:57 PM, Bruce Todd <beeceetee@gmail.com<mailto:
> beeceetee@gmail.com><mailto:beeceetee@gmail.com<mailto:beeceetee@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > A wheel question for all...Is there a maximum diameter for the
> > > centre
> > bore
> > > of a Vanagon wheel - in other words, can you size a wheel with a
> > > c-bore greater than 66.56mm - and if so what would that maximum
> diameter be?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bruce
> >
>