Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 13:27:41 -0400
Reply-To: Thomas Casal <thomas.casal@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Thomas Casal <thomas.casal@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: rust treatment
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I was thinking applying fluid film to the back of the seams to try and slow
seam rust down. I’m getting pretty good seam rust in the back behind the
rear wheel well where all those panels meet. It’s another infamous rust
area. I treated the rust in the wheel well from the inside on the passenger
side with ospho then painted it with epoxy when I had the interior panels
out last year. Thanks for the intel on the fluid film confirmation by an
body guy. I was scared to apply it for sealer and paint adhesion.
On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 1:07 PM Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Maybe he can wipe the ff off the surfaces when he goes to seal and paint.
> I’d be impressed, the stuff wicks like crazy into cracks. And the seam .
>
> After painting then ff the inside. And you’ll see it leak out the seams
> and collect road dust :-)
>
> Alistair
>
> > On Jun 26, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alistair,
> >
> > I thought the same thing. But, the auto body guy claims it will soak
> into the seams and do good to slow rust. He will then prep and paint areas
> needing touch up.
> >
> > I’m still scratching my head for best way to deal with seam rust.
> >
> > eRic
> >
> > This is to slow rust down. No way I’ll stop it.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 26, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m a big fan of FF. It’s lanolin
> >>
> >> I spray it under van every year. But, I wouldn’t put it on seams in
> advance of any seam painting later
> >> It will interfere with paint adhesion.
> >>
> >> Alistair
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Jun 26, 2021, at 8:34 AM, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>> For rust treatment a recent body work person asked me to treat my
> seams with Fluid film in advance of touch up work this fall. It seems to
> be almost a animal product. Anyone have experience or thoughts about it?
> >>>
> >>> I am treating my seams and such now and then in advance of touch up
> work.
> >>>
> >>> Eric Caron
> >>> 85 GL Auto
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 26, 2021, at 11:10 AM, John Rodgers <jrodgers113@GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Naval jelly was what I was trying to think of. I have had good luck
> with it
> >>>> in the past.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the tips.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 6:49 AM Thomas Casal <thomas.casal@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are a ton of rust converters on the market these days, ospho
> being
> >>>>> the most recommended on thesamba from what I’ve read. I’ve used a
> bunch and
> >>>>> bought a bunch. I have about 6 different rust converters in my
> garage.
> >>>>> Skunk rust, marhyde, ospho, corroseal, por15 etc….Some are water
> based now
> >>>>> like corroseal I think marhyde too. Water based are solid because
> they are
> >>>>> foamy after you shake them and so they stick to the area a bit
> better than
> >>>>> the acid based products for vertical seams or under body where the
> acid
> >>>>> will run Off easier. I’ve had good luck with both, corroseal you can
> buy at
> >>>>> the homedepot. I’ve been using marhyde this summer just cuz I have
> it, it’s
> >>>>> a solid product they all are if you follow the instructions. I would
> only
> >>>>> treat rusty spots with either water or acid based converters and
> then I
> >>>>> would apply an epoxy primer and master series chassis paint over the
> >>>>> converter then I’d apply waxoyle chassis wax and cavity oil in the
> >>>>> cavities. That’s my plan for my chassis anyway. Scraping that crappy
> under
> >>>>> coating that just traps moisture is the worst part of the job. Got
> mine
> >>>>> mostly scrapped off. It’s like they were trying to make these
> vehicles rust
> >>>>> out from the factory. One guy joked it was “VW’s factory rust
> enhancement
> >>>>> process”. My two cents on the Rust battle.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One other route I forgot to mention is you can try the naval gelly
> that
> >>>>> dissolves the rust too sold at the homedepot. that I haven’t used
> for the
> >>>>> vanagon just rusty tools seems to work great. God speed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 3:01 AM John Rodgers <jrodgers113@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> There is a product - phosphorus based I think - And available at
> home
> >>>>>> Depot, that will convert rust into a chemical that protects from
> further
> >>>>>> rusting. Can't remember what it is called. I used it many years ago
> on the
> >>>>>> steel beam bumpers on a motorhome. It converted the rust, turning
> it black
> >>>>>> and protected from further rusting. Painted it on, left it for a few
> >>>>>> minutes, then washed it down with water. Finished as black, I never
> >>>>>> bothered to paint it. I have some surface rust on my current van,
> and if I
> >>>>>> can find this treatment, I plan to use it again. but my question is
> -
> >>>>>> would
> >>>>>> it be appropriate as an undercoat for repainting my van. I certainly
> >>>>>> want to stop rust, BUT I wonder about the effects on paint.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Has anyone else dealt with this stuff. It was very simple to use,
> but I
> >>>>>> had my wonderments about its use before painting. Anyone? How did
> you deal
> >>>>>> with surface rust before painting.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >
>
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