Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 20:37:24 -0700
Reply-To: Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
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From: Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
Subject: Re: We try to go on trip and got hosed
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I agree with you Dennis.
But I’ll say no sign of failure except loose fit on reinstall. No bulging on test running. (week)
I have to get going tomorrow so I did what I did .
New engine I hope this winter so new hoses all round.
My comment about the stainless pipe being undersized was just a throwaway. Showing my neglect of the obvious.
I’ll say I do like spring clamps, when tight and hard to install , over gear clamp , in this application
Ab
> On Aug 26, 2021, at 8:28 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> For when needed, most of the Vanagon hoses are available through better local parts store channels. The NAPA here can get many for me same or next day.
> The hose splitting indicates the reinforcement was failing, like a tire cord. If this hose was disconnected wit the engine out, the disconnect is likely when the hose was damaged. Under pressure there was likely a bulge indicating the likely problem. As for re-designing that pipe to take a larger diameter hose there is not clearance from that tin and you need to consider the heat from the exhaust heating that tin. As another option if using the Van-Café expansion tank the lower fitting could be changed to use a smaller hose. You do need a loop for engine movement. Note this hose is different for 2WD and Syncro.
>
> The after market hoses do fit poorly. The Van-Café silicone version of this hose is a great upgrade. I find the Van-Café silicone hoses work really well wit the constance tension band clamp hoses and now use them instead for stainless worm gear clamps Van-Café supplies. You have to match them carefully.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of Alistair Bell
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 10:50 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: We try to go on trip and got hosed
>
> Right Neil,
>
> If I listened to “the little man on my shoulder” I’d have been much more critical of the hose.
>
> Lesson learned….yet another one :-)
>
> Ab
>
>> On Aug 26, 2021, at 7:46 PM, Neil <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ..... I said to myself
>>> … why can’t they make the stainless pipe right size?
>>>
>>> Turns out probably, the hose was on its way out .
>>
>> Ah, ok. So if a used hose feels too big for the pipe, that's a clue.
>>
>> The added curve for engine movement makes sense.
>>
>> Thanks for that.
>>
>> Neil.
>>
>>>> On 8/26/21, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Neil,
>>>
>>> I think, purely a WAG, the extra curviness is to allow a wee bit more
>>> flex between the stationary expansion tank, and the vibrating motor.
>>> But really, I dunno.
>>>
>>> And to be honest , when putting the motor back in this summer I
>>> thought that hose slid onto the pipe really to easily. Being an
>>> a**hole I said to myself … why can’t they make the stainless pipe right size?
>>>
>>> Turns out probably, the hose was on its way out .
>>>
>>> Ab
>>>
>>>> On Aug 26, 2021, at 7:35 PM, Neil <musomuso@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Looking here at your image showing the hoses in question:
>>>>
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>>>> I now wonder why VW put that extra curve.
>>
>> --
>> Neil n
>>
>> VE7TBN
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