Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:39:54 -0500
Reply-To: Jeff Palmer <w.jeff.palmer@ICLOUD.COM>
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From: Jeff Palmer <w.jeff.palmer@ICLOUD.COM>
Subject: Re: Where we camp, was Re: dometic replacement
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Exactly! It’s the versatility that makes it so special to me.
Jeff
> On Sep 12, 2021, at 10:34 AM, Bruce Todd <beeceetee@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> That is the beauty of our small camping rigs - you can camp anywhere in
> them if there is access to a site. They can be hooked up to water and
> power if required, and if that what it takes to stay married or happy, and
> they can be self sufficient otherwise not to mention good for stealth road
> side rests.
>
> BT
>
> On Sunday, September 12, 2021, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> I changed subject line. I’m trying to be an adult :+)
>>
>> Jeff, yes, we camp pretty well 99% of the time ( when camping on Vancouver
>> island, different on mainland) off logging roads.
>> We like a view , be nice to have a water source nearby for swimming, and
>> most important … no one else around.
>>
>> But that’s just us. Good friend Simon isnt quite as keen on the places we
>> go. He prefers formal campsites. We both have a great time at the places we
>> choose.
>>
>> Oh, and I don’t mind if the van gets scratched by branches etc. It’s
>> harder to be so cavalier if you have a nice paint job :-)
>>
>> There’s no right and wrong way of enjoying camping in our vans. If it’s
>> fun, do it :-)
>>
>> Alistair
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2021, at 9:02 PM, Jeff Palmer <w.jeff.palmer@icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, for starters, I’ve been told that divorces can be expensive …
>>>
>>> Seriously, there was a time in my life where I had the time and
>> opportunity to go wherever and whenever I wanted. That time has passed. I
>> think you both live in places where you can access remote areas more
>> easily. In Canada you cant generally camp on Crown land if you’re not in a
>> proper campground (Alistair you follow logging roads, right?) and ever
>> since I survived the widowmaker at the ripe old age of 42 I like to stay
>> within cell phone range. If it happened again at least my kids can call
>> 911.
>>>
>>> Ironically I find that less serviced campgrounds are often noisy, full
>> of big units with generators. And BLM lands have their own issues as the
>> many Facebook pages dedicated to boondocking will attest.
>>>
>>> I chuckled a bit McNeeley as you called me out for being soft. My
>> buddies who tent camp off grid or build igloos on Lake Winnipeg in February
>> would say the same about you in your swishy van. We all have our tolerance
>> level for roughing it and these things change. Dennis has a Class A RV I
>> believe that he takes on longer trips - given the option I’m sure my wife
>> would prefer to travel with him. Unless you have your own show on the
>> Outdoor Life Network we are all pretty much in the same boat er… van.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> 85 Westfalia whose amenities work the same on power or propane.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't mean to sound snotty, either. But, what's the point of "camping"
>> if
>>>> there is power, piped water, and so on? I purposely go to places
>> without
>>>> those things, because others don't. I do go to USFS and BLM
>> campgrounds,
>>>> but purposely choose ones without water and power when I do. If I want
>>>> amenities, I can go to a hotel. mcneely
>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 7:53 PM Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m with you jeff on keeping the propane. Works fine most of the time
>> up
>>>>> here in the great white ( dope slap me for implying Vancouver island
>>>>> anything like Winnipeg ).
>>>>>
>>>>> I just got pissed off this last trip and pulled trigger on the
>> electric.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh and we never camp, forgive me if this sounds snotty, places with
>> power.
>>>>> Heck, we don’t even have cell coverage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alistair
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2021, at 7:46 PM, Jeff Palmer <w.jeff.palmer@icloud.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks - I had no idea. Just assumed the venting would be somewhat
>>>>> flexible to accommodate different rv setups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m fine with my existing setup. It lights easy and stays lit. My van
>>>>> is white so stays pretty cool. I’m in Winnipeg so it gets as warm as
>> 37/38C
>>>>> but average highs in the summer are about 26 I think. On warmer days I
>>>>> just make sure I can plug in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2021, at 9:26 PM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many rvs have a separate chamber , box, vented outside , for propane
>>>>> combustion, heating and cooling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The vanagon a little different. Bit of a negative with the fins on
>> back
>>>>> of fridge inside the van. Warming up the van.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alistair
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2021, at 7:09 PM, David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com
>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dennis, are you saying that Dometic (or other absorption units for
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> matter) do not have sealed combustion chamber and double flue like
>> the
>>>>>>>> original one for our vans does? It seems that if they are intended
>>>>> for RV
>>>>>>>> installation they would have to have that. mcneely
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2021 at 10:00 AM Dennis Haynes <
>>>>> d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most of these units cannot go into the Westy without some serious
>>>>>>>>> consideration for venting. In the RV world designed spaces the rear
>>>>> goes
>>>>>>>>> into a chimney type area completely separate from the living space
>>>>> for both
>>>>>>>>> heat dissipation and combustion air-exhaust for the propane. The
>> Westy
>>>>>>>>> Fridge is unique with the sealed combustion chamber and direct to
>>>>> outside
>>>>>>>>> connection for combustion air and exhaust.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf
>> Of
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>> Palmer
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 10:58 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: dometic replacement
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yup 3 way. Or even propane only! Something like this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
>> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dometic.com%2Fen-ca%2Foutdoor%2Fca%
>> 2Fproducts%2Ffood-and-beverage%2Frefrigerators%2Frv-
>> refrigerators%2Fdometic-rm-2354-_-147206&data=04%7C01%7C%
>> 7C6ce27c33bdce4f24baec08d974cffba9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa
>> aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637669258913444682%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw
>> MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=
>> VpdPfQUCjjAdCL41nix4M717pWv81hNaSRiIHAIBUVM%3D&reserved=0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 9:44 PM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Three way as in propane, dc, ac?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I seriously doubt any new ones are made in the form factor that
>>>>> will fit
>>>>>>>>> our vans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alistair
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 7:18 PM, Jeff Palmer <
>> w.jeff.palmer@icloud.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone ever found a three way replacement they’re happy
>> with?
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Mike Miller <mwmiller6@ATT.NET>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm really tired of fighting with my dometic, just about had it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But I'd like to replace it with something that fits into the
>> same
>>>>>>>>> space. It can be somewhat deeper but height and width should fit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've looked on line at several possibilities but mostly I can't
>> get
>>>>>>>>> the exterior dimensions. Sellers either don't have contact info or
>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> contacted don't have the information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anybody got ideas how to find the exterior dimensions of items?
>>>>>>>>>>>> m
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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