Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:56:35 -0500
Reply-To: Jeff Palmer <w.jeff.palmer@ICLOUD.COM>
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From: Jeff Palmer <w.jeff.palmer@ICLOUD.COM>
Subject: Re: vanagon Digest - 8 Oct 2021 to 9 Oct 2021
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You just had to go there :)
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> On Oct 11, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Jim. Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Great post Eric. And since I live in Alabama the concept of winter storage
> is academic anyway ; )
>
> Jim
>
>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 9:34 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Yes,
>>
>> Great discussion!
>>
>> There is often more then one right answer to a question. And we
>> get to make our choices based on info given and our own thoughts and needs.
>>
>> A couple years ago a friend gave me several things from a garage
>> full of hoarded items. I was handed several cases of oil from way back in
>> the time when made in round cans. Even a metal opener with spout.
>>
>> I asked this list and did research and found the oil was as good as it was
>> when new. As good as the standard of the day.
>>
>> I gave it to several VW friends running air cooled and I think one
>> vanagon. It was 20/50 grade.
>>
>> It was happily put to it’s original purpose with no ill effects.
>>
>> The oil was good because it had not been opened.
>>
>> Call me silly but I usually change the oil depending on the miles when
>> ever that is. But, If I have the option I do change it in the spring after
>> storage. It just feels nice to start the season with known clean oil.
>>
>> Eric Caron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Jim. Felder <jim.felder@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ergo is you change oil before storage in winter, there is no reason to
>>> change it again when it comes spring driving time. I think that issue was
>>> at the heart of this thread, so I wasn’t picking your thread apart. I am
>>> just trying to cut through the mysticism and find out if oil goes bad
>>> sitting over a winter. On the two counts you and I have discussed, I’d
>> say
>>> it does not.
>>>
>>> Say, this list still has some life in it! This discussion takes me back
>> 20
>>> years.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:48 PM Geoffrey Toye <geoffreytoye@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, if you change the oil before storage then there will be no blowby
>> gas
>>>> during storage. If you don't, then the old oil will have seen lots of
>>>> blowby gas before storage.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, oil cans don't have an expiration date. The antioxidants are
>> consumed
>>>> by an operating engine.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 5:43 PM Jim Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> In response to David’s welcome and detailed analysis of acidity,
>> water
>>>>> gets
>>>>>> into the oil system by way of the blow by gasses that pass the piston
>>>>> rings.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, if the car isn’t being driven during storage there can be no
>> blowby.
>>>>> Hence no water in the oil. So scratch that reason, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oil contains anti oxidants that are life limited. Old oil cannot
>> protect
>>>>>> your engine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never seen an expiration date on a can of oil. So scratch that
>>>>> reason as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I could be wrong of course but I can’t see these so-called threats
>> being
>>>>> realized.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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