Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 06:59:06 -0800
Reply-To: Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA>
Subject: Re: Another D15 connector failure example- The fix!
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Ah, I get it now .
I’m slow :-)
The plastic connector pic is much more dramatic than the fuse panel pin pic… that’s why the “if you doubted” etc tagline.
It’s interesting that you’ve seen the connectors that look brand new.
Alistair
> On Feb 28, 2022, at 10:56 PM, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I wasn’t meaning to imply that You had said D15 & Fire were related, I was just laying out what
>
> My Doubts were & was truly curious as to what doubts You were referring to in Your earlier EM when
>
> You said “If You doubted before,”~
>
> The D15 is indeed an Odd Critter, I’ve seen this issue a bunch & have also seen others that,
>
> like My ’90, appear to be brand new,, Seems that they either look Really Bad or Brand New ~
>
>
>
>> On 28 Feb , 2022, at 8:08 PM, Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>
>> I don’t think I said the d15 issue caused the fire. There were musings as to whether an engine fire could cause the d15 damage.
>>
>> I think the fire and the connector unrelated.
>>
>> I do think that 86.5 model year and newer vans should have the d15 connector checked.
>>
>>
>> Ab
>>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 6:51 PM, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m curious AB just what doubt You might be referring to,, I have no doubt that D15 Can Be & Is
>>>
>>> sometimes a serious Problem Child when it comes to the Items that are connected to that circuit,, I do
>>>
>>> however hold some doubt that it was that obviously faulty D15 that was the cause of that fire ~
>>>
>>> Might have been but also might not have been ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 27 Feb , 2022, at 5:20 PM, Alistair Bell <albell@SHAW.CA> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just to update, I was at the burned out van stripping more stuff. Took a pic of the female side of the D connector.
>>>> If you doubted before, this might sway :-)
>>>>
>>>> https://shufti.blog/2022/02/19/vanagon-another-d15-connector-failure/
>>>>
>>>> Alistair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Jim. Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It must be pretty rare, the unfused failure that might cause a fire. I have
>>>>> driven about every kind of VW and many many other cars--rarely owning them
>>>>> in the same decade as they were manufactured in--and don't ever recall a
>>>>> problem. Except for a Karmann Ghia that burnt to the ground, me, wife and
>>>>> infant child fleeing onto the roadway--but that was a battery fire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 11:24 AM David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow! I guess I didn't realize this. Given the quite large number of fuzes
>>>>>> in every vehicle I have ever had, going back to the early sixties, I
>>>>>> thought everything was protected. I do remember that a large amperage fuze
>>>>>> block started to appear in vehicles some time in the eighties or early
>>>>>> nineties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, if one is part way to a destination when the failure occurs and stops
>>>>>> one from going further, that might or might not be better than being stuck
>>>>>> at a starting point. In the latter case, little or no damage may have
>>>>>> occurred, other than to the fuze, while part way there and there is a fire
>>>>>> .... .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 8:17 AM Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following old school wisdom I guess the thought at one point was to let
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> run to failure! There are many wire circuits in the VW and other cars
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> do not have any form of over current protection. Many American vehicles
>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> a fuse link or other device at the main battery-starter connection to
>>>>>>> protect most everything except the starter itself. For the Vanagon while
>>>>>>> most every light bulb has fuse protection to the bulb or even filament
>>>>>>> level the ignition and fuel system is completely unfused. Same for all
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> wiring up most of the switches and even after the switches to the fuse
>>>>>> box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Gene P
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2022 1:03 AM
>>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Another D15 connector failure example- The fix!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just noticed nobody answered that question “why isn’t the ignition
>>>>>>> circuit fused?”, so I’ll take a shot at it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because if it was fused, a burned fuse would prevent the engine from
>>>>>>> starting.
>>>>>>> It follows the logic that you would be better off being at least part way
>>>>>>> to where you’d need to be to get the fire damage fixed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ‘87 T3
>>>>>>> ‘81 R65
>>>>>>> ‘61 TR3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Alistair Bell
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 9:50 AM
>>>>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Another D15 connector failure example- The fix!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Alistair Bell <albell@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> One question though, why isn’t the ignition circuit fused?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alistair
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
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