Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2022 10:51:43 -0400
Reply-To: Tom C <thomas.casal@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Tom C <thomas.casal@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Van insulation
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Hey Chris and fellas,
How did you go about layering the cascade products. I have a bunch of the
dynamite dampener in the doors and on the bud panels I’m gonna leave it. I
was thinking of ripping it out but it serves a purpose. I used the cascade
vb 2 hd in the doors as a vapor barrier.
The floor I bought one piece of vb4 for the floor but the stuff is super
heavy and isn’t that much. Not sure if I wanna get another because it’s so
heavy.I’m sure it’ll block a ton of frequencies which is awesome.
I don’t know if I should use it for under the driver and passenger rug or
just Lye it down on the floor in the middle in front of the cabinets?
Looking for the most bang for my buck. I’m thinking up front in the cock
pit nobodies ever in the back.
I had the vb 2 hd behind the cabinets as a vapor barrier with denim
insulation but I was bugging about condensation and that denim absorbing
moisture, so I just ripped it all out. Did the same on the other side and
think I’m gonna rip that all out. Wasn’t thinking about condensation when I
sealed it all up. I’m gonna use the foil insulation cascade has behind
there which is r6 and thin. Debating gluing it to the panel or just laying
it in there and leave an air pocket for the condensation. Do you guys think
it would be wise to seal that area up or should I leave it open so it can
breath? I’m gonna oil the seems with surface shield. I already hit them
with marhyde.
Sorry for the long winded email. I’m deep into this project got the
cabinets out the dash out. Tucked my amp under the dash 5 channel jl. All
wired up trying to get it perfect the way I want it before I button it up
once and for all hopefully. Thanks guys tom
On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 2:34 PM <christopher@t3technique.com> wrote:
> Yes, I love the Cascade products. I have used many, many different
> products in several different vehicles. While I had some success in
> quieting things down, the COMBINATION of products offered by Cascade had
> the biggest impact on creating a quiet vehicle. Just like so many other
> products, marketing and lack of knowledge drive so much of the popularity
> of the commonly used sound control products. For example, it's not that
> products like Fat Mat, Dynamat, Lizard Skin, etc. do nothing. They
> certainly have their place. However, products like that are only addressing
> one aspect of sound control. Those products are "vibration dampers". While
> they do, to varying degrees, limit panel vibration and resonance, they do
> not block sound. Since sound comes from many different sources and has many
> different frequencies, the only way to truly reduce overall sound in the
> vehicle to do your best to address as many different sources and
> frequencies as possible. A one-product approach will yield limited results.
>
> The info below is lifted from Cascade's website and has proven to be
> accurate based on my own testing and use of many different products in many
> different vehicles over years of trying different approaches.
>
> From Cascade Audio' website:
> "When trying to reduce or eliminate various types of automotive noise, it
> is often necessary to utilize a variety of specialized noise control
> materials. Cascade Audio Engineering offers a wide variety of these
> products to help you achieve a quieter and more comfortable passenger
> compartment regardless of what you drive.
>
> There are several types of sound control products and they can be broken
> down into these categories...
>
> 1)Vibration Dampers are used to eliminate or reduce structural resonance
> and vibration. Vibration dampers are not designed to block sound.
>
> 2)Sound Barriers are used to block and reflect high energy airborne sound
> like road noise in the form of exhaust, airflow, drivetrain and tire noise.
>
> 3)Sound Absorbers are primarily used to soak up mid band and high
> frequency airborne sound and reflect thermal energy. Absorbers are
> typically very lightweight and do not damp vibration.
>
> 4)Gasketing Materials are used to eliminate squeaks, rattles and buzzes
> and to seal speakers."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of Tom C
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 10:39 AM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Van insulation
>
> I remember getting a lady. It was so long ago it’s hard to remember. I
> however didn’t have any real in-depth technical questions.
>
> If I could do it all over again and had the funds I’d probably go the
> lizard skin route personally. There’s just so many options and variables.
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 10:23 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi tom,
> >
> > Is your person at Cascade helpful and knowing about the products?
> > I reached out to them once but the person I connected with was a nice
> > but he was a bit confusing. I didn’t have the van then and was
> > preparing for it’s return and wanting products on hand.
> > Having a person to work with that really knows the materials
> > would be very helpful as I can’t see the videos and product pictures.
> >
> > Cascade was highly recommended by Chris at T3 as well.
> >
> > Eric
> > ERic
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 30, 2022, at 10:07 AM, Tom C <thomas.casal@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> > >
> > > Nice recommendation Jack. Never heard of this company before they
> > > have
> > nice
> > > stuff, cascade audio has some really nice products as well for sound
> > > and insulation.
> > >
> > > Cascade audio has a light insulation I’m thinking of replacing all
> > > the denim I put in my panels with it and a vapor barrier. The
> > > insulation is kinda thin and it has foil on both sides about a 1/4
> > > inch thick of some kind of flexible foam insulation. I used it for
> > > above the headliner panel in my van, it’s a nice product and super
> > > light. Since you already have
> > the
> > > fat mat for dampening it may be appealing to you. I can find it for
> > > you
> > if
> > > you can’t just google cascade audio they are in Oregon I believe the
> > > lady is super nice too. Peace
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 9:20 AM Jack R <jack007@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> https://www.b-quiet.com/?msclkid=94790740b02b11eca25feb3f8b23eaaf
> > >>
> > >> Very happy with the price and ease to install.
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On
> > >> Behalf Of Eric Caron
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 9:10 AM
> > >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > >> Subject: Van insolation
> > >>
> > >> I’m hoping to find a sound and temp insolation product to
> > >> replace the fiberglass starting with the slider door.
> > >>
> > >> I would want light weight as I’ve already increased the weight with
> > >> the fat Matt.
> > >>
> > >> I need to go in there to tighten the slider handle and to add some
> > >> fluid film to som areas of concern.
> > >>
> > >> I don’t love the fiberglass but have not found anything folks feel
> > >> is a improvement.
> > >>
> > >> Eric Caron
> > >> 85 GL auto
> > >>
> >
> >
>
>
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