Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 17:36:21 -0700
Reply-To: David McNeely <davmcneely40@GMAIL.COM>
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From: David McNeely <davmcneely40@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: This B.C. company wants to electrify your Porsche,
your mini van and your school bus | Globalnews.ca
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I also drive my camper relatively little. I do use it some about town for
hauling things I can't fit in the Prius. But mostly it is, as its name
(Campmobile) suggests, for camping. I used to drive it across the country
for that purpose, but those days are pretty much over. Just local now
(meaning Washington, Oregon, Idaho, British Columbia, maybe Alberta,
Nevada. A few hundred, or maybe a thousand miles for a trip, and only 1-2
of those a year. Otherwise, within a couple of hundred miles. I think I
have put less than 15K miles on it since moving to Washington 7 years ago.
So, I would not consider converting it. My next vehicle purchase, if they
become actually available, will be something like the Hyundai Ionic-5, an
all EV with 300+ miles range. But until I can get an EV with range without
allowing a dealer to gouge me by charging way above MSRP, I'll keep driving
the Prius, which now has 200K miles, has required almost no maintenance,
and still gets 55 mpg. I DID replace the traction battery at 150K miles,
but even at that, I am better off (and the earth is) than if I had a
similar sized full IC vehicle.
I will also keep using the camper. Given the miles I drive it, I am not
doing a lot of harm, especially compared to the giant motorcoaches that
other people use for what they call camping and which they drive all over
the country.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 1:37 PM Dan N <dn92610@gmail.com> wrote:
> well.. I'd think conversion to EV at that cost depends on how many miles
> you drive a year.. 2K miles or 20K+ miles?... I drive my vanagon less than
> 2K miles a year mostly for vacation and camping trips.
> For someone who uses his/her vanagon or Porsche to commute at 20K+ miles a
> year it's a good consideration if he/she wants to invest.
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 12:58 PM David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Certainly true, also. But we are moving more to sustainable generation.
>> Whether the fossil fuel industry wants it or not, wind and solar are
>> simply
>> cheaper to produce than burning for power, and despite environmental
>> consequences of manufacturing of the devices, those are still less than
>> environmental costs of the extraction of the fuels, their processing, and
>> their end use. Is it still Friday?
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 11:44 AM Bruce Todd <beeceetee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I imagine the costs will eventually drop as this market and technology
>> get
>> > explored - but then there is the whole issue of how electricity is
>> actually
>> > produced and provided - which is not without its own issues and
>> hypocrisy.
>> >
>> > BT
>> >
>> > On Saturday, April 30, 2022, David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Can't afford a Tesla at $50-60K, but can afford a conversion at $100K?
>> >> He did say that he is hoping to get to a scale where he can get the
>> price
>> >> down to around $30K. But then we're dealing with a car with an old
>> >> chassis/body, too. Maybe he'll get there. Meanwhile, new EVs
>> (they're not
>> >> all Teslas) can be a lot cheaper than what he is selling, if we can
>> just
>> >> get enough of them on the market. For now, I am still driving my 16 yo
>> >> Prius. Building new vehicles has environmental costs, too, so he is
>> right
>> >> about that.
>> >>
>> >> I wonder, would converting an old hybrid be cheaper than converting an
>> >> old pure IC vehicle?
>> >>
>> >> At any rate, I am all for getting into the EV future for the sake of us
>> >> all.
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 9:48 AM Bruce Todd <beeceetee@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Some borderline Friday NVC that fits nicely with the post of the Tesla
>> >>> pulling the bus or the bus pushing the Tesla depending whether the
>> glass
>> >>> is
>> >>> half full or empty. I think retro-fitting existing gas powered motors
>> >>> with
>> >>> electric alternatives will become a business all to itself...give it
>> 5 to
>> >>> 10 years.
>> >>>
>> >>> This B.C. company wants to electrify your Porsche, your mini van and
>> your
>> >>> school bus | Globalnews.ca
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://globalnews.ca/news/8797788/vancouver-company-electric-car-conversions/
>> >>>
>> >>> Bruce
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>
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