Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 09:56:23 -0700
Reply-To: Bruce Todd <beeceetee@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Bruce Todd <beeceetee@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: 1.9 engine tune up
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Hi Eric - when it comes to hoses I have found that Ken Wilford's Vanagain
site has a great diagram / hose chart to get information from for all
Vanagons.
https://www.vanagain.com/article/coolant-hose-chart-plastic
Bruce
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 8:34 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net> wrote:
> Yes,
>
> I have a strong feeling that if I had a Dennis or other
> experienced vanagon person to go through all the basic settings the van
> would be running correctly again.
>
> It frustrates me that I can’t just read the Bently watch some
> videos, consult with capable friends then just do it myself. But, the tools
> are not all usable and I can’t see a injector spray pattern.
>
> So, I’m trying to gather knowledge, tools, supplies, and a plan of
> diagnosis.
>
> The Dennis list I put together from two of his recent emails is excellent.
>
> He also explained better how I can gat a friend to check the O2 sensor.
> Even reading the Bentlyh a experienced friend was confused by the
> directions.
>
> I am sad to say that I’m skeptical about the last care done on the van.
> The kind folks spent money and love getting it ready for sale and my pick
> up.
>
> If the receipt as a indicator the van should have been ready for a cross
> country trip
>
> Yet my on the ground findings didn’t add up.
>
> I’m hoping that a call to the shop will give me some useful info but so
> far they have not answered the phone.
>
> Assuming I’m right and a full tune up is still needed for this van what
> should I have ready for my helpers?
> I have on hand
> Valve gasket seals
> Injector seals, small and large
> New O2 sensor
> Even a special removal tool
> New temp 2 sensor
> Temp 2 seal
> Starting spray
> New air filter
> New alternator belt
> New PS belt
>
> Anyone know the correct hose to get for the coolant line coming from the
> reservoir to the large pipe, very short.
>
> I found some spare new fuel line , Vacuum hose and have a assortment of
> spring hose clamps
> Have a talking multi meeter to start skill building on.
>
> I can borrow a compression tester
> And can borrow a timing light but friend will need to do it.
>
> What wires and plugs are recommended
> What distributer cap or other parts should be on hand?
>
> All this info and parts are being gathered and put together to make best
> use of friends time, and increase the chance of improvement.
>
>
> Appreciatively,
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
> In the Meantime I have lots of projects on both vans to get me into
> trouble. I mean keep me out of trouble.
>
> Eric Caron
> 84 Westfalia
> 85 Westfalia
>
>
>
> > On May 17, 2022, at 9:59 AM, David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Eric, when I first got my '91 Campmobile (2.1 Waterboxer, at 138K miles
> at that time), it would sometimes but not always lose all power on intended
> acceleration. Once I got all components in specification (air, ignition
> including timing, fuel) that went completely away and has never reappeared.
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 7:39 PM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net
> <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote:
> > Hi Dennis,
> >
> > I was just not sure what the word mild was. My screen reader
> read it as Milt Cam.
> >
> > I realize now it must have meant Milled cam.
> >
> > I enjoyed reading the write up on the 2.3 engine.
> >
> > Interestingly I have the original 2010 packet of the work order and
> estimates and work done. my 84 and the HP on the 2.3 in 2010 is 105 not
> 114. Maybe because of no GW engine management.
> >
> > Or the engine has changed in the last 12 years.
> >
> > It also said specifically for the 1.9 management and manual transmission.
> >
> > Interestingly also, my contact at GW said the work was not done there,
> but the paper work I have indicates that the engine and much more was done
> at GW in 2010.
> >
> > I don’t need it to be perfect but when we step on the gas it needs to go
> forward rather then loose almost all power.
> >
> > I look at this van as a long term project but I really appreciate the
> guidance. The more I know and the better prepared I am the better the
> outcome.
> > It is so nice to be able to work on this van and mean while my 85 is
> ready for adventures!
> >
> > Eric Caron
> > 84 Westfalia
> > 85 Westfalia
> >
> > > On May 16, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM
> <mailto:d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Eric,
> > > Check the features of the GW 2.3.
> > > • A exclusive proprietary GoWesty camshaft grind!
> > > I don’t know the specs of this grind. The lift, timing including
> duration all have an effect o the air flow through the engine at various
> speeds, loads, and throttle positions. Valve timing and overlap effects the
> flow and the way the air flow pulses. The engine management is set up based
> on certain assumptions. This camshaft change changes many of those
> assumptions. How well can the engine management compensate? Some better
> than others. So in your case you have increased engine displacement about
> 21%, changed compression, changed the valve timing, and you still want it
> work perfect.
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2300cc engine – GoWesty<https://gowesty.com/products/2300cc-engine <
> https://gowesty.com/products/2300cc-engine>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.n
> > > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 2:15 PM
> > > To: Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM <mailto:
> d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>>
> > > Cc: Vanagon List <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <mailto:
> vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>>
> > > Subject: Re: ECU Digital
> > >
> > > Hi Dennis,
> > >
> > > I’m collecting your last several emails on this topic and have them
> printed and hoping to follow the steps when I have a more skilled helper.
> > >
> > > One question though,
> > >
> > > What did you mean when you wrote mild cam?
> > >
> > > And how does this impact things?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > For the high idle, this is always a result of some combination of
> incorrect basic settings, excess or unmetered air getting into the intake.
> In addition having a 2.3L which also has a mild cam will rarely work
> perfectly on the 1.9 set up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On May 15, 2022, at 10:10 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM
> <mailto:d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM><mailto:d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM <mailto:
> d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > If I recall this tool was mostly for the 86 and later Digifant. It
> probably can also work on the Digi jet. Either the ECU or the harness need
> to be modified to use.
> > > While you are looking for a simple easy to find and fix bullet to
> solve your woes, the Digi-Jet is still a fairly simple system and with very
> few exceptions most running problems end up being outside the fault of the
> FI system.
> > >
> > > For the high idle, this is always a result of some combination of
> incorrect basic settings, excess or unmetered air getting into the intake.
> In addition having a 2.3L which also has a mild cam will rarely work
> perfectly on the 1.9 set up.
> > >
> > > Start with checking that the throttle body is properly adjusted. It
> needs to fully close without the palte sticking in the bore. There is a
> stop screw and lock nut for this adjustment. This is extremely critical as
> your distributor has both vacuum advance and retard. The plate needs to
> close properly to close off the advance port in order for the retard to
> work properly. The distributor should also be tested that the vacuum
> operated and mechanical advance parts are working. If setting timing at
> idle confirmation is needed that the vacuum retard is in fact fully
> retarded. Warm, engine, disconnect O2 sensor and use the sensor and meter
> to fine tune AFM. Make sure warm up regulator is closing, uses a heater and
> engine case temp to close. Set timing 5 ATDC, mixture to ~.5 volt on O2
> Sensor and base idle speed 850-950 rpm.
> > >
> > > For the off isle stumble make sure that the closed throttle switch
> opens immediately as throttle is opened. If not you go into injector cut
> off at ~1350 rpm. Then after that O2 sensor is ignored for a number
> crankshaft revolutions. Operation will be wacky.
> > >
> > > Since this engine has some miles on it it would be a good idea for a
> compression and leak down test. As this combination may also be susceptible
> to detonation it is also a good idea to put a camera inside the cylinders
> and look for piston damage. Carbon in the intake ports and back of the
> intake valves can also cause running problems.
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com <mailto:
> vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com><mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com <mailto:
> vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>>> On Behalf Of Eric Caron
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:18 AM
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> ><mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>>
> > > Subject: ECU Digital
> > >
> > > So, I’m still at the start of diagnosing a running issue with high
> idle and more importantly loss of power when step-in on the gas at a stop.
> > >
> > > But, A friend was just handed a interesting tool he wants to try out
> on the 84 running the 1.9 ignition
> > >
> > > What do you know about the ECU digitool has the name Darrel Boelher,
> in the paperwork.
> > >
> > > Has a long ribbon cord to take the device to the dash to watch w while
> driving and a LCD screen and lights.
> > >
> > > Anyone out there still using this tool and anyone know it’s history or
> usefulness?
> > >
> > > Eric Caron
> > > 84 with 1.9 ignition
> > > 85 with GW management
> > >
>
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