Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 20:18:49 +0000
Reply-To: Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
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From: Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: Vanagon Hot Shower on Demand
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Nah....skip all of these "enhancements"....and I don't care if they are free! Takes up too much storage space. A quick little spray on ankles before returning to Vanagon....yeah man, that is all that is needed.
On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM PST, Pete Sicilia <pete@coffeepot.org> wrote:
On the more affordable side of the spectrum... I've been considering one of
these
https://www.amazon.com/Bamboo-Shower-Floor-Natural-Bambusi/dp/B01DTEXFH8
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 9:52 AM Bruce Todd <beeceetee@gmail.com> wrote:
> This might help with the mud pit situation - albeit - you will still have
> some mud but at least you can keep from your feet or flops. Ignore the
> price and just consider the concept as this would be easy enough to build
> as a custom item. You could probably use this for a multitude of camping
> uses as well - including starting a fire if you were desperate for
> kindling. :)
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.ca/Waterproof-Grating-Customized-Bathroom-Accessories/dp/B09KB4NGNR
>
> Bruce
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 9:21 AM Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Correct. Mud pit is no fun. So, down the road, I empty RubberMaid
> > container with grey water on the side of the road. That's it. Also, I
> > don't use biodegradable soap and shampoos, just the normal stuff. As far
> > as Northern California camping spots....man, that is a tough commodity.
> > Year around. Hence, I use the Vanagon Hot Shower On Demand solution, and
> > camp nearby at some McDonalds or Starbucks. BTW....the bathrooms in
> those
> > facilities are excellently clean. And the Wi-Fi.....equally marvelous.
> > Also, I am an excellent "stealth" camper. I have honed those skills over
> > 40 years.
> >
> > On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 08:46:40 AM PST, Pete Sicilia <
> > pete@coffeepot.org> wrote:
> >
> > To clarify my question a bit... I was both looking at preventing a big
> mud
> > pit and looking for a solution that works at a state campground. I carry
> > biodegradable soaps :)
> >
> > I'd also love to know if folks have preferred "camping al fresco" spots
> in
> > Northern California that are reachable w/o syncro capabilities.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 6:20 AM ddbjorkman@verizon.net <
> > ddbjorkman@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Grey water, with an environmentally friendly soap does no harm. I just
> > > pick a somewhat sloped ground, put down a ground cloth so we are not
> > > standing in a mudpuddle and let it run off. Many of the places we use
> it
> > > could use a bit more water in the ground.
> > >
> > > Dave B,
> > > the Boston one
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Pete Sicilia <pete@COFFEEPOT.ORG>
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > Sent: Sun, Feb 5, 2023 9:29 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [VANAGON] Vanagon Hot Shower on Demand
> > >
> > > What do you all do with the grey water? Do you catch it and do
> something
> > > with it... or just let it drain into the ground/mud?
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 5:47 PM Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > For me, it was an evolution. It all started with me and my cousin
> > doing
> > > > Mountain Bike riding in the western Sierras in the early 90's. Sure,
> > we
> > > > got all sweaty. No fun getting into sleeping bag after all that. I
> > > > figured....there has got to be a better way. I thought...all you
> need
> > > is a
> > > > metal vessel....fill it with water...heat up on Coleman stove; and,
> add
> > > > some kind of propulsion unit to aggressively force hot water through
> > some
> > > > plastic tubing and into a shower nozzle. And I exactly did that! It
> > > > worked perfectly. Except, I chose a steel 5 gallon gas tank, which
> of
> > > > course rusted like crazy. Also, I chose a 12VDC submersible pump
> from
> > > > Grainger; problem with that....it was intended for intermittent use;
> it
> > > > rusted and froze. I rethunk. So next attempt was an aluminum 20
> quart
> > > > stock pot from Costco, and a 12VDC Marine Bilge pump, I started with
> > 800
> > > > GPH unit, but have moved up to 1100 GPH pump. Oh my! All systems
> are
> > go
> > > > now! Then I got the crazy idea of using Vanagon to source hot water.
> > I
> > > > deleted Rear Heater long ago; I used the plumbing and fittings,
> > > including a
> > > > 20 foot piece of 1/4" copper tubing, wrapped around a paint spray can
> > to
> > > > form a heat exchanger device inside of Aluminum stock pot. I used a
> > > simple
> > > > Ball Valve to turn on/off flow to copper tubing; this involved a
> > > companion
> > > > to run back and turn it off and on. I used a standard BBQ grill
> > > > thermometer from Walmart to monitor temperature; I used old wiring
> from
> > > > rear heater to make this happen. Readout on dash. Next, I lost my
> > > > companion to run back and turn Ball Valve off and on. So, via
> Amazon,
> > I
> > > > got one of those motorized valves, and I found a switch (old Rear
> > Window
> > > > defogger switch) which fit the 3rd unused position on dashboard; yes,
> > > with
> > > > a tip of switch, hot engine coolant goes into copper tubing, heating
> up
> > > > water in Stock Pot, all monitored by BBQ Thermometer. Oh...you want
> to
> > > get
> > > > even more crazy?!! Using 3D Solidworks, I came up with a delightful
> > > design
> > > > of a Shower Curtain, like a giant funnel into a RubberMaid plastic
> bin.
> > > I
> > > > know at this point, all you guys are collapsing in fatigue! I hear
> > ya.
> > > > If I were reading this thing, I would have given up by Sentence #2.
> > Yes,
> > > > it was a 30 year process. It was filled with errors. But now....I
> > > > wouldn't leave home without it. Absolutely...there are easier
> > solutions
> > > to
> > > > the Hot Water Shower issue. But mine is the finest.
> > > > And of course, I can do it the old school way...pot of water on
> Coleman
> > > > stove...in the middle of nowhere....it's so fun to see your breath in
> > the
> > > > cold morning air....and you are as clean as a whistle!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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