Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 12:16:31 -0800
Reply-To: Dan N <dn92610@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Dan N <dn92610@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Vanagon Hot Shower on Demand
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thank you Pete...
it's looking very nice...
On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 12:10 PM Pete Sicilia <pete@coffeepot.org> wrote:
> On the more affordable side of the spectrum... I've been considering one of
> these
> https://www.amazon.com/Bamboo-Shower-Floor-Natural-Bambusi/dp/B01DTEXFH8
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 9:52 AM Bruce Todd <beeceetee@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This might help with the mud pit situation - albeit - you will still have
> > some mud but at least you can keep from your feet or flops. Ignore the
> > price and just consider the concept as this would be easy enough to build
> > as a custom item. You could probably use this for a multitude of camping
> > uses as well - including starting a fire if you were desperate for
> > kindling. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.ca/Waterproof-Grating-Customized-Bathroom-Accessories/dp/B09KB4NGNR
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 9:21 AM Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Correct. Mud pit is no fun. So, down the road, I empty RubberMaid
> > > container with grey water on the side of the road. That's it. Also, I
> > > don't use biodegradable soap and shampoos, just the normal stuff. As
> far
> > > as Northern California camping spots....man, that is a tough commodity.
> > > Year around. Hence, I use the Vanagon Hot Shower On Demand solution,
> and
> > > camp nearby at some McDonalds or Starbucks. BTW....the bathrooms in
> > those
> > > facilities are excellently clean. And the Wi-Fi.....equally marvelous.
> > > Also, I am an excellent "stealth" camper. I have honed those skills
> over
> > > 40 years.
> > >
> > > On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 08:46:40 AM PST, Pete Sicilia <
> > > pete@coffeepot.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > To clarify my question a bit... I was both looking at preventing a big
> > mud
> > > pit and looking for a solution that works at a state campground. I
> carry
> > > biodegradable soaps :)
> > >
> > > I'd also love to know if folks have preferred "camping al fresco" spots
> > in
> > > Northern California that are reachable w/o syncro capabilities.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 6:20 AM ddbjorkman@verizon.net <
> > > ddbjorkman@verizon.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Grey water, with an environmentally friendly soap does no harm. I
> just
> > > > pick a somewhat sloped ground, put down a ground cloth so we are not
> > > > standing in a mudpuddle and let it run off. Many of the places we
> use
> > it
> > > > could use a bit more water in the ground.
> > > >
> > > > Dave B,
> > > > the Boston one
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Pete Sicilia <pete@COFFEEPOT.ORG>
> > > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > > Sent: Sun, Feb 5, 2023 9:29 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [VANAGON] Vanagon Hot Shower on Demand
> > > >
> > > > What do you all do with the grey water? Do you catch it and do
> > something
> > > > with it... or just let it drain into the ground/mud?
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 5:47 PM Richard Koerner <
> rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > For me, it was an evolution. It all started with me and my cousin
> > > doing
> > > > > Mountain Bike riding in the western Sierras in the early 90's.
> Sure,
> > > we
> > > > > got all sweaty. No fun getting into sleeping bag after all that.
> I
> > > > > figured....there has got to be a better way. I thought...all you
> > need
> > > > is a
> > > > > metal vessel....fill it with water...heat up on Coleman stove; and,
> > add
> > > > > some kind of propulsion unit to aggressively force hot water
> through
> > > some
> > > > > plastic tubing and into a shower nozzle. And I exactly did that!
> It
> > > > > worked perfectly. Except, I chose a steel 5 gallon gas tank, which
> > of
> > > > > course rusted like crazy. Also, I chose a 12VDC submersible pump
> > from
> > > > > Grainger; problem with that....it was intended for intermittent
> use;
> > it
> > > > > rusted and froze. I rethunk. So next attempt was an aluminum 20
> > quart
> > > > > stock pot from Costco, and a 12VDC Marine Bilge pump, I started
> with
> > > 800
> > > > > GPH unit, but have moved up to 1100 GPH pump. Oh my! All systems
> > are
> > > go
> > > > > now! Then I got the crazy idea of using Vanagon to source hot
> water.
> > > I
> > > > > deleted Rear Heater long ago; I used the plumbing and fittings,
> > > > including a
> > > > > 20 foot piece of 1/4" copper tubing, wrapped around a paint spray
> can
> > > to
> > > > > form a heat exchanger device inside of Aluminum stock pot. I used
> a
> > > > simple
> > > > > Ball Valve to turn on/off flow to copper tubing; this involved a
> > > > companion
> > > > > to run back and turn it off and on. I used a standard BBQ grill
> > > > > thermometer from Walmart to monitor temperature; I used old wiring
> > from
> > > > > rear heater to make this happen. Readout on dash. Next, I lost my
> > > > > companion to run back and turn Ball Valve off and on. So, via
> > Amazon,
> > > I
> > > > > got one of those motorized valves, and I found a switch (old Rear
> > > Window
> > > > > defogger switch) which fit the 3rd unused position on dashboard;
> yes,
> > > > with
> > > > > a tip of switch, hot engine coolant goes into copper tubing,
> heating
> > up
> > > > > water in Stock Pot, all monitored by BBQ Thermometer. Oh...you
> want
> > to
> > > > get
> > > > > even more crazy?!! Using 3D Solidworks, I came up with a
> delightful
> > > > design
> > > > > of a Shower Curtain, like a giant funnel into a RubberMaid plastic
> > bin.
> > > > I
> > > > > know at this point, all you guys are collapsing in fatigue! I
> hear
> > > ya.
> > > > > If I were reading this thing, I would have given up by Sentence #2.
> > > Yes,
> > > > > it was a 30 year process. It was filled with errors. But now....I
> > > > > wouldn't leave home without it. Absolutely...there are easier
> > > solutions
> > > > to
> > > > > the Hot Water Shower issue. But mine is the finest.
> > > > > And of course, I can do it the old school way...pot of water on
> > Coleman
> > > > > stove...in the middle of nowhere....it's so fun to see your breath
> in
> > > the
> > > > > cold morning air....and you are as clean as a whistle!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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