Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 07:16:34 -0600
Reply-To: David McNeely <davmcneely40@GMAIL.COM>
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From: David McNeely <davmcneely40@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Vanagon Hot Shower on Demand
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The gray water means nothing. The home-made engineering means a lot, & is a
credit to your ingenuity & perseverance. But for me, the point is the
shower & a simple sun bag is simple & effective. Nothing really to fail,
either.
On Sun, Feb 5, 2023, 10:12 PM Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I wouldn't worry about it too much. Ya know how you walk 50 yards with
> your Army Shovel. Dig a Cat Hole. Do business. Toilet paper too. Cover
> it all up and hike back to Vanagon.
> Meanwhile during the night, all sorts of critters are exploring. Coyotes;
> rabbits; skunks; raccoons; possums. Yes, they are absolutely out there and
> skulking around.
> So...your 2.5 gallons of grey water, distributed over a vast array of
> soil, is virtually nothing.
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> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 06:42:34 PM PST, Richard Koerner <
> rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Yes. After that nice hot shower, I take the grey water, and distribute
> evenly across a wide spanse of nothingness. No muss, no fuss. I guess I
> am wrong on doing this; I do the calculations....and I figure this is
> pretty much nothing.
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> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 06:29:31 PM PST, Pete Sicilia <
> pete@coffeepot.org> wrote:
>
> What do you all do with the grey water? Do you catch it and do something
> with it... or just let it drain into the ground/mud?
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2023 at 5:47 PM Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> For me, it was an evolution. It all started with me and my cousin doing
> Mountain Bike riding in the western Sierras in the early 90's. Sure, we
> got all sweaty. No fun getting into sleeping bag after all that. I
> figured....there has got to be a better way. I thought...all you need is a
> metal vessel....fill it with water...heat up on Coleman stove; and, add
> some kind of propulsion unit to aggressively force hot water through some
> plastic tubing and into a shower nozzle. And I exactly did that! It
> worked perfectly. Except, I chose a steel 5 gallon gas tank, which of
> course rusted like crazy. Also, I chose a 12VDC submersible pump from
> Grainger; problem with that....it was intended for intermittent use; it
> rusted and froze. I rethunk. So next attempt was an aluminum 20 quart
> stock pot from Costco, and a 12VDC Marine Bilge pump, I started with 800
> GPH unit, but have moved up to 1100 GPH pump. Oh my! All systems are go
> now! Then I got the crazy idea of using Vanagon to source hot water. I
> deleted Rear Heater long ago; I used the plumbing and fittings, including a
> 20 foot piece of 1/4" copper tubing, wrapped around a paint spray can to
> form a heat exchanger device inside of Aluminum stock pot. I used a simple
> Ball Valve to turn on/off flow to copper tubing; this involved a companion
> to run back and turn it off and on. I used a standard BBQ grill
> thermometer from Walmart to monitor temperature; I used old wiring from
> rear heater to make this happen. Readout on dash. Next, I lost my
> companion to run back and turn Ball Valve off and on. So, via Amazon, I
> got one of those motorized valves, and I found a switch (old Rear Window
> defogger switch) which fit the 3rd unused position on dashboard; yes, with
> a tip of switch, hot engine coolant goes into copper tubing, heating up
> water in Stock Pot, all monitored by BBQ Thermometer. Oh...you want to get
> even more crazy?!! Using 3D Solidworks, I came up with a delightful design
> of a Shower Curtain, like a giant funnel into a RubberMaid plastic bin. I
> know at this point, all you guys are collapsing in fatigue! I hear ya.
> If I were reading this thing, I would have given up by Sentence #2. Yes,
> it was a 30 year process. It was filled with errors. But now....I
> wouldn't leave home without it. Absolutely...there are easier solutions to
> the Hot Water Shower issue. But mine is the finest.
> And of course, I can do it the old school way...pot of water on Coleman
> stove...in the middle of nowhere....it's so fun to see your breath in the
> cold morning air....and you are as clean as a whistle!
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