Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 08:45:51 -0700
Reply-To: Bruce Todd <beeceetee@GMAIL.COM>
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From: Bruce Todd <beeceetee@GMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Richard Koerner van And some Dennis thoughts.
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Funny thing and a little against the grain - I had an accident about three
years ago in my 2006 Mazda Station Wagon which I purchased from a used car
lot for $3,500 including taxes in 2018. The car was T-boned on the
passenger side front about 100 metres from my home - a car ran a stop sign
as I was on my way home from work. The car was written off.
The Mazda had about 220,000 kms on it and was in great shape overall, very
clean but did have some rust coming in if you looked close enough. Anyway
I was prepared to accept what the buying price was and was a bit annoyed at
the situation given I bought the car below market value. Anyway the
insurance company here - ICBC offered me $7,600 and wanted to know if that
seemed reasonable? I tried to hide my enthusiasm when signing the
release. Certainly there were other comparable Mazdas but $7,600 was
definitely the high end of the range. Anyway I bought a similar vehicle -
a 2006 Audi A4 Avant (wagon) a few months later for $3,900 which is a great
car too and also a steal.
I think the insurance company here wanted to make a quick and clean offer
to close the file and didn’t want to get bogged down into timely
negotiations for small sums of money. It would be different for a Vanagon
but I do recall after having a rear bumper looked at by ICBC (Vanagon rear
ended) the technician who inspected the damage was telling me how much
value these vans were worth and was asking me about it from a personal
point of interest.
Bruce
On Sunday, April 16, 2023, David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am certainly not an insurance expert, but I keep reading on here about
> "stated value" insurance policies with regard to accident damage. My
> understanding from reading and speaking to insurance company personnel is
> that stated policy does not mean the company will agree with that value
> when push comes to shove. It is just stated by the owner that the vehicle
> was worth that when the policy was issued, and the company may well dispute
> that and refuse to pay that amount. The better alternative, if one wants
> to be sure of getting a settlement for the actual value of a high dollar
> vehicle, is an "agreed value" policy, where the insurance company agrees,
> in the policy when issued, to the value based on appraisal by a third
> party. Even then, the policy will almost always state that the value may
> change based on the market, and that payment for a damaged vehicle will
> depend on market at the time of settlement.
>
> Never trust an insurance company to act to the policy holder or damaged
> owner's benefit, as someone else with inside experience earlier stated.
>
> mcneely
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 6:56 AM Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > First sorry about you having the accident. However if no one was hurt the
> > rest is just time, money and annoyance.
> > Regarding insurance unless you have collision and a stated value policy
> > you may do better going after the insurance of the person at fault.
> > About a year ago I missed judged pulling into a parking spot and the
> right
> > front corner of my 91 hit the left rear quarter of 2018 VW Atlas
> (karma?).
> > Embarrassed as all heck as I walked into the store yelling who owns the
> > white VW. Anyway, In NY we both had to report the accident to the state.
> > They put the claim in to my insurance. All I had was the paperwork that
> the
> > accident occurred and Allstate took care of the rest. Funny thing the
> > corner of my bumper has a mark, the damage to the Atlas was ~$8K.
> >
> > Regarding looking for a clip versus new parts, as our vehicles are aging
> > we need to give thought for future parts availability. Many of these body
> > sections are still available new. Some are likelynew old stock. Without
> > sales they will not be manufactured. At some point unless purchased by
> > speculators or other supporters, the time will come that this stuff will
> be
> > destroyed. Storage costs $$and at some point the losses need to be cut.
> > Sometimes these clearances go to auction but most likely off to the
> > shredder.
> >
> > There are hardly any other 80's vehicles that are still in use as daily
> > drivers or more importantly leisure travel vehicles. Not do we drive them
> > we also sleep and live in them. The US automotive fleet is now over 12
> > years and that is considered a problem. Here we are driving vehicles
> > pushing 40. We need to give thought to our future parts needs.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> On Behalf Of
> > Richard Koerner
> > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2023 7:43 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Richard Koerner van
> >
> > Thanks for posting pics, Dan, just to give others a little awareness of
> > my situation. I'm going to hold off buying new components for now.
> > Reason: my plan with my Vanagon Body Shop guy is to locate a carcass.
> For
> > the front end work. With luck, this carcass might even have a good
> > Passenger door. It might even have a "floppy mirror" (which I upgrade
> with
> > a crosswise drilled hole into shank with a SS dowel pin). It might even
> > have a yellow signal lens on Passenger side. It might even have a good
> > rear quarter. Sure....new windshield and gasket....but all that comes
> > after successful grafting of Van B onto Van A. The fit must be just
> right;
> > same with the fit of Passenger door. I'm trying to stay positive. But
> > here's the thing: I've owned this van for 34 years. Hundreds of trips
> and
> > adventures. Yes, monetary investment with Subie conversion and all the
> > goodies, new tranny, bunch of other stuff. And a lot of emotional
> > investment; somehow, while tooling along in some nowhere place....my mind
> > drifts to past adventures....and I smile. So, believe it or not, even if
> > it costs me $10K out of pocket in addition to whatever I get from
> > insurance, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
> >
> > On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 12:30:07 PM PDT, Dan N <
> > dn92610@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Richard's van will need another door, door gasket, a windshield with new
> > gasket. Other dented areas can be pulled and repaired, a new paint job.
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 5:47 AM ddbjorkman@verizon.net <
> > ddbjorkman@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > That damage id significant but can be repaired. Ask me how I know.
> > >
> > > Good luck on the fix Richard!
> > >
> > > Dave B.
> > > the Boston one
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan N <dn92610@GMAIL.COM>
> > > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > Sent: Fri, Apr 14, 2023 9:01 pm
> > > Subject: [VANAGON] Richard Koerner van
> > >
> > > hi all,
> > >
> > > an invitation to have a look at Richard Koerner van after the
> > > accident. I have the before pictures but I don't show them because we
> > > all know what a perfect pristine condition van looks like.
> > >
> > > Good luck Richard...
> > >
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