Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2023 22:49:15 +0000
Reply-To: Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
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From: Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: ID Buzz
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Yep. Those jacked up trucks. They are huge. On the commute home after work, their headlights would shine into my Honda Accord rear window. I gave up. Decided if you can't beat them, join them; so I bought a Toyota Highlander. Better, a little higher too. But even now that is no good....those Pickups and Escalades keep getting taller every year. Giant vehicles, giant tires, giant suspension....and in Southern California....the bigger and badder the better! Luckily, I am retired now, so don't have to deal with it on a daily basis. From time to time, it even got scary....those massive beasts inches away from rear end.
On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 03:34:27 PM PDT, Jim Felder <jim.felder@gmail.com> wrote:
Necessary because the bumpers of SUVs and trucks are aimed at your head if
you're driving a normal car.
Jim
On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 1:23 PM Todd Last <rubatoguy@comcast.net> wrote:
> You can really see the impact of the safety capsule design in the
> placement of the windows and high beltline. Particularly for cars with
> lower heights. Also, when was the last time you saw a bench seat in the
> front of a car?
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> Todd
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> On 6/4/2023 7:02 AM, Eric Caron wrote:
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> Hi all,
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> I’m reserving impression until I get hands on experience.
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> As for size I had a related conversation with a VW dealer. I said I didn’t love our new Toyota Rav 4 prime mainly because it was longer and wider than my Vanagon but didn’t have a lot of interior room. I thought the design was silly.
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> His answer was. Cars are now a safety capsule. That missing room is so that people inside are safe.
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> This is a good observation.
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> I love my Vanagon and its use of space. And, it is not super unsafe, but not anything like the safety capsule of a new vehicle.
> I suspect this impacts the space in the IDBuzz.
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> Still with clever engineering maybe we can get that little van into a comfortable small camper mode, fingers crossed.
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> Eric Caron
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> On Jun 4, 2023, at 3:47 AM, Raimund Feussner <ray@V6BUS.DE> <ray@V6BUS.DE> wrote:
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> The most boring and useless rebirth of an icon.
> The Buzz is a 5-seater "minivan" (4.6mtr) , in Europe like Sharan/Galaxy/Alhambra. US similar PontiacTransport and modern such?! I had a seat in it in Hannover last year.
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> Now they are bragging with the long wheelbase 7/8 seater (4.9mtr). Have you seen the shine-through image of it? If completely fitted with seats, the luggage compartment is less than T5s.https://derivates.kicker.de/image/upload/w_1795,h_1010,c_fill,g_auto:subject/w_1000,q_auto,h_563/v1/2023/06/02/47c5eada-5799-4b02-8780-96f5763d067f.jpeg
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> Our Vanagons are 4.6mtr and have a whole meter of that length as luggage compartment.
> I am not saying the Vanagon is the ultmaite design for all eternity! But boy, the outer vs inner size has been developing backwards since the 2000s.
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> Yes, VW has to ride the nostalgia wave. But in my opinion, they are dismantling their own heritage.
> The young rich kids won´t care anyway and think it´s cool.
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> Raimund
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> Am 04.06.2023 um 03:07 schrieb Richard Koerner:
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> Just watch: Watch Live: Volkswagen 3-Row ID. Buzz World Premiere
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