Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:04:15 -0400
Reply-To: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>
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From: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: CV joint question and success!
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Thanks,
A little practice and knowing what I’m looking for and exactly where should do the trick.
Bottom line is, if the CV is original the ring around the outside should tell the story and that goes out toward wheel or trans. But, as CV can be reused. Nice to do a double check.
Eric Caron
> On Jul 18, 2023, at 5:31 PM, ddbjorkman@verizon.net wrote:
>
> Yes! That is it. Try using your fingernail and rum it over the edge. It will be a quick drop on one side and a slide to a small drop on the other. Go bac and forth. A few times until you have it. That has worked for me while finding those kinds of things on machined tiny tolerance jet engines.
>
> Dave B.
> the Boston one
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 02:38:35 PM EDT, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> OK, how compulsive am I
>
> Lucky for me Jim Felder sold me some CV joints some time ago. I wanted some good spares.
>
> One is clean and grease free.
>
> I examined it over and over.
>
> Finally I think I may have found the Beveled edge.
> Someone check me on this.
>
> On the outer ring of the inner circle on one side it is basically flat. On the other side is a very slight bevel.
>
> I just barely felt it with my fingers.
> I confirmed it, well, with my tongue! Yes, one side flat, one side very slightly beveled. And yes that side would face in and the ring out toward the wheel on the Jim Felder joint.
>
> I hope I can improve my touch skill or get sighted help to confirm the greasy ones!
>
> Now to find that raised lip?
>
> Eric Caron
> CV Joint learner.
> Don't worry about that groove. I haven't found anything about the outer CV housing that delineates the need for one direction or the other. In my opinion, the most important factors are that the beveled side of the inner cage is facing the axle shaft and that the raised lip on the inner star is facing the axle (less important than the bevel on the star, but worth doing if possible).
>
>
> > On Jul 18, 2023, at 2:00 PM, Bruce Todd <beeceetee@gmail.com <mailto:beeceetee@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > FYI - I have a CV joint from a 77 bus as a paper weight on my work desk - and there is no raised lip on the inner star - just saying.
> >
> > BT
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:35 AM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net> <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> Chris described the CV joint as follows…
> >> Don't worry about that groove. I haven't found anything about the outer CV housing that delineates the need for one direction or the other. In my opinion, the most important factors are that the beveled side of the inner cage is facing the axle shaft and that the raised lip on the inner star is facing the axle (less important than the bevel on the star, but worth doing if possible).
> >>
> >> Help, I just went out and tried to identify by touch what is meant by the bevel side. And the raised lip.
> >>
> >> I failed. Can someone give me a verbal description especially of the beveled side. And try to do it with your eyes closed as I have to do this by touch.
> >>
> >> I have a lot of axels to check and prepare so I’d like to get this right.
> >>
> >> ERic Caron
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Jul 18, 2023, at 10:53 AM, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET <mailto:ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET> <mailto:ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Dan and others,
> >> >
> >> > Being blind I had to grab my wife for the pictures but she agrees they show the marking toward the outside.
> >> >
> >> > Now I have to glove up and go see if I can feel the bevel Chris described.
> >> >
> >> > Once I finish the spare axles for my 84 I’ll get the axle off the 85 and replace the boots with the high Angle ones I’m getting from Chris at T3. I’m optimistic these will hold up.
> >> >
> >> > If so, every failed boot going forward means a set of these on the axle.
> >> >
> >> > By the time the boots arrive, I’ll be well practiced in the art of boot and CV exchanges.
> >> >
> >> > Eric Caron
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On Jul 17, 2023, at 9:35 PM, Dan N <dn92610@gmail.com <mailto:dn92610@gmail.com> <mailto:dn92610@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.outfrontmotorsports.com/cv_assembly.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 6:11 PM Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net> <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net> <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>>> wrote:
> >> >>> OH boy,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I just watched a video on CV boot rebuild and replacement and he says that groove goes on the outside toward wheel and or transmission.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That would mean The one I just fixed is backwards and need to be changed. And all but one of the others are also backwards!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I wonder what damage was done to the joints by being put on backwards
> >> >>> Can someone confirm that the ring on the cV joint is supposed to be facing the wheel or transmission and not the axle.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Eric Caron
> >> >>> 85 and 84 Vanagons auto and Standard.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Jul 17, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net> <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net> <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>>> wrote:
>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> OK folks,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> My question is, Does the groove around the outer edge of the CV joint indicate direction of placement? I ask because on the axles I removed from my 84 and am now repairing three CV joints have the groove facing in and one has it facing out. I’m wondering if that one was put on backwards. It has a good boot so I’d rather not mess with it. But if backwards I can deal with it now that I’m in the middle of this project.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> And Success.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks to the list and some local friends on the phone I successfully changed out a ripped boot and have an axle ready to go for my 84 if needed in the future.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I’ll rehab the other axle now and then do the 85.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Nice to have accomplished this task. Likely easy for you folks but I was feeling pretty uncertain taking it on alone.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So, what direction for that CV joint groove?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Eric Caron
> >> >>>> 85 auto 84 standard.
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