Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 2023 20:44:04 -0700
Reply-To:     Bruce Todd <beeceetee@GMAIL.COM>
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From:         Bruce Todd <beeceetee@GMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Friday privilege
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We have been new owners of an Ioniq 5 for about 6 weeks.  Good to know that
rapid deceleration of the I-brake doesn’t provide any signal to drivers in
the rear via brake lights…I was wondering whether this was the case - as
you can slow very quickly and to a stop without using the brakes
whatsoever.  With EVs and especially the Ioniq 5 the brakes will last a
very long time as you rarely use them in the typical sense.

Love the 5 - A really nice and comfortable vehicle for driving around town
and if charging at home with a 2 stage charging system.  If travelling - be
prepared to stop much sooner to charge depleted batteries depending on
speed and hill climbs or in my case mountain passes.  Stopping can mean a
delay of 2 hours or more for charge time and or waiting to get charge time
- and not all rapid chargers are equal or produce a truly fast charge.

Will likely turn to gas for the same trip in the fall inspite of the much
lower cost of travel.  Gas or diesel provides more flexibility, range and
freedom on the open road - at least for now, but the EVs are excellent for
every day commuting and driving around town.

Last week I got a chance to see the new VW EV bus - and was disappointed by
it - kind of thought the styling looked like a disguised Routan with
rounded corners.  I was expecting to feel we made a mistake with our choice
of EV - but after looking at the bus, I was happy to choose the Hyundai
over the VW.

Blasphemy I know!

BT


On Friday, July 28, 2023, OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:

>         & Actually, Cars slowing aggressively without brake lights has
> been a
>
> common thing ever since transmissions were down shiftable,,, I think that
>
> has been quite awhile, like maybe since there have been cars ~ {:~)
>
>
>
> > On 28 Jul , 2023, at 4:24 PM, Karl Ploessl <karl.ploessl@GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> >
> > it appears that most cars will show the brake lights activated. But not
> all
> > do and not under all circumstances. Apparently it is not illegal to have
> > the brake lights not activated with decelerating braking, Otherwise the
> > brands which I mentioned above would be in violation of the rules and
> > regulations.
> >
> > Best, Karl.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 6:19 PM David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Are you sure the brake light doesn't activate?  I noted people slowing
> >> behind me before I touched the brake.  I'll check that out.  But a
> >> following driver seeing a vehicle in front slow down should know it is
> >> slowing down.  When I drive, I am well aware of that.  Who would not be?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 12:07 PM Karl Ploessl <karl.ploessl@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> this "active regenerative braking" is a curse for the people following.
> >>> Without the use of the brake pedal, the brake lights are not
> activated, yet
> >>> the electric car slows down. The following driver has no clue what is
> going
> >>> on.
> >>>
> >>> Karl.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 2:28 PM David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Well, there IS a shifter.  One can choose between D or B, D being
> regular
> >>>> drive, and B being to activate regenerative braking.  The B REALLY
> makes
> >>>> a
> >>>> difference, such that in normal street driving, the brake pedal is
> almost
> >>>> irrelevant.  And of course, there are neutral and reverse positions.
> The
> >>>> "no key" is just like my Prius -- an electronic, keyless entry and
> start
> >>>> transmitter in a fob.  All those options are things I have only begun
> to
> >>>> examine and try to understand.  Lane control, choosing among "Eco,"
> >>>> "Comfort," "Sport,' or "Custom" driving modes.  In eco, acceleration
> is
> >>>> somewhat curtailed.  In sport, it is "Whoa, baby!"  Comfort gives
> what to
> >>>> me with having experience with the Prius is a "normal" feel.  Lots of
> >>>> things, some I haven't even read about yet.  I really don't even know
> yet
> >>>> how to call up all the menus.  Oh, interior "mood" lighting is kind of
> >>>> crazy, one of those things that VW must have stuck in to appeal to the
> >>>> youth.  One can have soft or harsh lights of one's choice of colors.
> My
> >>>> wife chose blue, and that is comfortable.  Some are almost like being
> at
> >>>> a
> >>>> rock concert.
> >>>>
> >>>> No spare tire, but I intend to get one.  No jack, but instructions in
> the
> >>>> owner's manual for how to use one.  What to me are crazy big wheels
> >>>> (19").
> >>>> I don't like having different tire sizes front & rear, can't be
> rotated.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lots to get used to.  mcneely
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 11:00 AM kenneth wilford (Van-Again) <
> >>>> kenwilfy@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I drove one a few months ago and put my experience on my YouTube
> >>>> channel.
> >>>>> It seems like a good car if you want to not feel as alien as a Tesla.
> >>>> Like
> >>>>> VW went out of their way to make it seem familiar to VW drivers, but
> >>>> at the
> >>>>> same time, it is strange not having a shifter of any kind, no key,
> very
> >>>>> quiet, not crazy acceleration, and lots of options in menus on
> screens.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Enjoy,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ken
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 12:50 PM David McNeely <davmcneely40@gmail.com
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I just bought (got it yesterday) a VW ID.4.  It wasn't my first
> choice
> >>>>>> electric vehicle, that was the Hyundai Ionic5.  But that one does
> not
> >>>>>> carry
> >>>>>> the $7500 tax rebate, and the ID.4 does.  For those claiming that
> >>>> electric
> >>>>>> vehicles are not available, the dealer here in Spokane (Autonation)
> >>>> had 17
> >>>>>> on the lot this week.  I got my first choice of all trims and so on.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wow!  This vehicle comes with a very high learning curve.  Luckily
> >>>> for me,
> >>>>>> it is driveable without turning on all the "assists," as getting
> >>>>>> accustomed
> >>>>>> to them will take a lot of getting used to.  But as I drove it home
> >>>>>> yesterday, I sure enjoyed passing by the gas stations and noting
> what
> >>>> I
> >>>>>> won't have to do.  Not changing oil is another biggy.  Oh, and I
> paid
> >>>> well
> >>>>>> under MSRP.  The dealership had already put an "incentive" on the
> >>>> price,
> >>>>>> and readily accepted my substantially lesser offer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I still want a Buzz, and will perhaps get one if I can see my way to
> >>>>>> converting it to a camper, and the range increases to make that
> >>>> practical.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> mcneely
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
>