Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 23:45:01 -0600
Reply-To: OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
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From: OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: About Oetiker Clamps
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Which 1 is You ~
> On 30 Aug , 2023, at 12:38 PM, Dan N <dn92610@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Regarding MansiSpeed injectors, my comment is in here...
>
> https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=784070&highlight=mansispeed
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 9:40 PM OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Probably said before but will say again,,, Anyone deciding to
>> install new injectors
>>
>> should give a serious look to MansiSpeed,,, Have installed several sets of
>> these now &
>>
>> results have always created huge smiles, better idle, smoother
>> acceleration, more power ~
>>
>> Kinda pricey but the added engine efficiency, IMHO, may very well add to
>> Engine Life ~
>>
>> ORR ~ DeanB
>>
>>
>>> On 28 Aug , 2023, at 6:08 PM, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> This brought back bad memories of last summer when a GW fuel
>> injector failed and sprayed gas in my engine compartment during a trip in
>> Canada in Nova Scotia.
>>>
>>> It was a very young basically new injector.
>>>
>>> I’m pretty sure Jim’s are also new parts so this isn’t a fault of time
>> and use breakdown.
>>>
>>> Luckily, like Jim, I caught it in time and replaced.
>>>
>>> I changed out all the injectors when I got home.
>>>
>>> Also. I was looking at my clamps and it seems like one van has those non
>> adjustable squeeze style and the others are those that screw tighten.
>>>
>>> I’m just going to check now and then and keep my nose working.
>>>
>>> I’m actually a little concerned as my 84 smells a bit in the front so I
>> will be doing tank reseal and possibly new tank this fall.
>>>
>>> And the 85 just smells different. Might be the slight oil seep but I
>> worry about gas.
>>>
>>> So, I’m hoping to get my 85 van inspected by a local person that
>> seems very detail oriented. Only it takes months to get an appointment.
>>>
>>> Keep a nose and eye on those gas sources!
>>>
>>> Eric Caron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 24, 2023, at 7:30 PM, Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jim, if it were me, after this trip allow time to replace ALL of those
>> rubber hoses with proper ones that can withstand alcohol like in modern
>> E-10 gasoline. Very important is to really get into it. Like replacing
>> the 2" lines from rail to injector. Our good buddy Ben in Canada (Ben's
>> Place, not sure if still around) had a great synopsis of how to do it. He
>> used an X-acto knife to cut off that old stuff....super simple. Of course,
>> delete the plastic firewall connector (it was only done for manufacturing
>> purposes) and replace with a nice rubber grommet and hose. Yes....you have
>> GOT to do this stuff....only takes half a day. Well for me, a whole day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 04:02:08 PM PDT, Richard Koerner <
>> rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Great Jim. I had an experience when backing out of garage onto
>> driveway...saw a pathway of liquid...immediately moved forward back into
>> garage while motor was cool. Smelled it. Gasoline...vaporized within
>> seconds later. Close call for me. Fixed it. My first experience with
>> faulty rubber fuel injection hoses.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 03:47:57 PM PDT, Jim Crews <
>> jcrews@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Richard, thanks for bringing it over here to the list. That was me
>> posting. Here is the video of what happened as I was about to start on a
>> few hour trip: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ctfpG88ZrY7AKWMj7
>>>> I quickly shut off the engine and went around tightening the clamps.
>> After screwing then down, the leak was gone and I was on my way. Otherside
>> also seemed loose so I tightened those down also.
>>>> My main question is should I be using a different style clamp in those
>> locations or just assume they will vibrate loose every so often. Either
>> way, I’ll be staying on top of those clamps as part of regular and routine
>> checks.
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 6:05 PM Richard Koerner <rjkinpb@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Some guy was having Major fuel leak at fuel rail (on Facebook, Vanagon
>> Owners Group); he had a mixture of Oetiker Clamps and smooth bodied screw
>> clamps (had Video of fuel on rails coming out of somewhere), I thought you
>> might have some thoughts as to my comment, I try to give good advice, lots
>> of them are newcomers, but trying hard:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK....here's my "opinion". Oetiker Clamps were developed for fast,
>> secure installation at the factory. Install, compress, done. But there is
>> no allowance for the fact that over time rubber loses it's flex....in fact,
>> it actually takes a set. So, for Fuel Injection hoses, it's my "opinion"
>> those smooth sided screw clamps are a superior design (obviously not the
>> slotted worm-drive clamps) in that they allow for snug up over the years.
>> Regarding "springy" hose clamps on water hoses, these things ARE superior
>> over slotted worm-drive clamps in that they are self-adjusting as rubber
>> loses its flexibility. Still, with periodic attention, on water hoses with
>> worm-drive clamps you can always snug up; the problem is, most folks don't
>> and these are sometimes overlooked in hard to reach locations. Again, my
>> "opinion".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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