Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 13:12:53 -0500
Reply-To: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>
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From: Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Dip stick, no jokes from Alistair
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Thanks, Bruce and Dennis,
I took the hose off the breather tower and the other side with the wires.
Everything was very clean.
I appreciate being able to follow the directions and do some checking on my own.
I carefully felt with smallest finger and all I could reach was very clean.
Not sure if save to inspect with a probe like a wire or attach a vacuum so I just look at what I could reach.
Very clean.
Can it be too clean? Indicating a block somewhere else?
But, as it is completely clear I may need to see what else I can check.
With great appreciation for suggestions, descriptions, and ideas.
Eric Caron
> On Dec 23, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Bruce Todd <beeceetee@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Eric - at the top of the tower is a hose. Remove the hose and there you will find the orifice…basically what the hose attaches to. That may be plugged up based on Dennis’ description.
>
> Anyway that is my interpretation of the instructions.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Saturday, December 23, 2023, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> If someone can offer a description of how I find this orifice, I’d be grateful.
>>
>> I’m assuming we are talking about the plastic feeling large tube coming out of the motor straight up and down as you look down at the motor in the center.
>>
>> It seems clean. Where is the orifice located?
>>
>> Eric Caron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 23, 2023, at 8:25 AM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com <mailto:d23haynes57@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The Vanagon dipsticks have that molded plug at the top, there is no separate o-ring.
>> > Oil pushing up the dipstick tube is usually caused by the amount of blow-by exceeding the capacity of the vent orifice in the crankcase breather tube causing the crankcase to build pressure and pushing some oil up the tube. Check that the breather is clear of any debris or sludge.
>> >
>> > Dennis
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com <mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>> On Behalf Of Eric Caron
>> > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 11:15 PM
>> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> > Subject: Re: Dip stick, no jokes from Alistair
>> >
>> > OK,
>> >
>> > I had to go look again. Of course by touch.
>> >
>> > I don’t think there is a O ring. Maybe someone out there could double check with yours.
>> >
>> > My 84 engine with 80 K, dip stick is snug but not as tight as my 85 with basically 3K on the rebuilt GW 2.3
>> >
>> > So, makes me wonder if the dip stick is fine, but what is causing the oil to go up the tube in this unusual way?
>> >
>> > Oil level is right between the lines, and is Mobile 1 15/50.
>> >
>> > This has been happening from day one, but I suspect only found because we were looking at it while running and hot from above. Usually looked for source with engine off.
>> >
>> > So, why would there be oil pushing up the dip stick tube?
>> >
>> > Eric Caron
>> > 85 Auto
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Dec 22, 2023, at 10:41 PM, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET <mailto:ericcaron96@COMCAST.NET>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Alistair,
>> >>
>> >> I have not looked again but, when I was with the local mechanic, I asked him the same question. Is it a bad O ring? He said the didn’t think it used a O Ring. It felt to me sort of like a hard plastic plug at the end. That is maybe wy making it a bit thicker with heat shrink might help.
>> >>
>> >> But, tomorrow I’ll compare the 85 dip stick with the 84 and see if they look different or if there is something missing.
>> >>
>> >> I realize I could also switch dipsticks as they are both 2.3 GW engines and I could see if that solves the problem or creates a new one for the other van.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for kick starting my brain.
>> >>
>> >> Eric Caron
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 10:19 PM, Alistair Bell <ragnarhairybreeks@icloud.com <mailto:ragnarhairybreeks@icloud.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Eric,
>> >>>
>> >>> I’m writing this quickly, forgive any misunderstanding
>> >>>
>> >>> Isn’t there an o ring in the dipstick to seal it to tube?
>> >>>
>> >>> Alistair
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 6:05 PM, Eric Caron <ericcaron96@comcast.net <mailto:ericcaron96@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Dennis,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I’m surprised it is leaking from the end of the tube. If this isn’t normal, what could cause it?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Oil pressure is high when starting over 60 PSI and about 40 when warm.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dip stick seems to fit well
>> >>>> You have repaired some with heat shrink, was this due to a similar leaking from the top of the dip stick tube?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I’m wondering if others had this happen, and why, and how to fix.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for the tip on the heat shrink idea.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Eric Caron
>> >>>> 85 Auto
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 2:15 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM <mailto:d23haynes57@HOTMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Van Café often has new dipsticks and tubes available. I have used thin wall shrink tube to tighten the seal on the stick.
>> >>>>> It is not normal for oil to actually be getting pushed that high.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dennis
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com <mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>> On Behalf Of Eric Caron
>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 8:45 PM
>> >>>>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> >>>>> Subject: Dip stick, no jokes from Alistair
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Seriously,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> OK, as long as I solve the problem, go ahead with the dick stick jokes.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So, After a long drive we were looking over my 85 with new GW motor and the mechanic noticed oil seeping out of the top of the dip stick.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> He asked me about my oil level.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I had just check it and it was exactly between the lines.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So, he suspects a faulty dip stick seal.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So, anyone ever have this happen?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Anyone know of a source of a dip stick for my 2.3 so a 2.1 engine
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Or, anyone know how to safely modify this dip stick to seal tighter.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It is adding up to a messy situation
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It seems like an easy fix to my confusion about where the oil is coming from.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I think he only noticed it because engine was running and had ben driven about 50 miles so the oil seep was visible coming right out of the dip stick top.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Experiences, solutions, and suggestions wanted.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Eric Caron
>> >>>>> 85 2.3 GW auto
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