Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:30:14 -0600
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From: OlRivrRat <OlRivrRat@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Got skunked yesterday by 2.1L NoStart
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Thanks much for the info DH,,, Oil change was next on My list of things to do
next chance I get ~
> On 12 Sep , 2024, at 2:03 PM, Dennis Haynes <d23haynes57@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Fuel in oil tells you that the engine is flooding and not addressing that the engine is getting destroyed. Bad enough and broken rings, bent rods are an outcome.
> Are the injectors being pulsed or are they on continuously? Shorted output driver is a common ECU failure.
> Has the fuel pressure regulator been checked for a defective diaphragm? Pull the vacuum hose off it. Any fuel in there that is the failure.
>
> Disable the ignition coil, fuel pump, remove the spark plugs and crank to get the excess fuel out. Drain and change the oil as the contaminated oil can also create a rich mixture preventing it from starting.
> Remove injectors, short center coil to ground. Have some turn engine over and check that injectors are spraying properly pulsing, and that they turn off and hold fuel.
> Put all back together and un-plug the injectors. Crank for a while and see if engine tries to start. When really flooded it will clear up with no fuel added and it may try to run, especially if the oil is loaded with fuel.
>
> Good luck,
> Dennis
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2024 12:20 PM
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> Subject: Got skunked yesterday by 2.1L NoStart
>
> Friend Andy here in ABQ has a 2.1L that won’t start,, Cranks well but NoStart ~
>
> Spent a bunch of hours yesterday diag'ing but No Joy,,,
>
> Info from Andy
>
> with starter fluid it ignited, like poofed, but did not run
>
> Verified-
> spark - all cylinders whole path between coil and sparkplugs (1and2 were not sparking so those were replaced.
> fuel - took off bolt on Tee, squirted fuel almost to ceiling injectors - removed all injectors and fuel squirted tried known good ecu (and this ecu in running van worked) tried another (unverified) AFM Distributor gear was off a bunch, reset per bentley. verified via timing light Cyl 1 was getting spark at TDC.
> Temp 2 - tried unplugged and shorted
> tried starting with fuel relay removed
> quick checked cyl pressure on 2 while plug was out, good compression pushed my finger out. due to compression the engine was hard to turn with the plugs in.
>
> Additional data-
>
> When we opened pass’ side valve cover to verify TDC valve position, a bunch of fuely oil spilled out. even after all that drained the dipstick showed overfilled to upper twist
>
> In general the thing smells fuely - could be from all the cranking.
>
> It hasn't run since I had it. PO said it ran and then he did something and then it didn't run.
>
> In addition to info from Andy above I'll add >
>
> Battery shows 12.58VDC while cranking
>
> Tried New Ignition Switch
>
> Swapped in known good Coil
>
> Swapped in known good IAC Relay
>
> Tried cranking with WOT just incase flooded
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