Well, for what its worth, I was a fireman with CDF for 6 years, and saw many a grinder, but never peeled a blue out of a bus. Lots of gore in toyotas/nissans/datsuns/etc And don't get me started on the harley vs cement truck stories. On 680, between Livermore and Fremont, you have a gravel plant on one side of the freeway, and a biker bar on the other, and the two sometimes mix on hwy 84. Thom -- > Betting on a horse is not a stable investment. ............................................................................ : Thom Fitzpatrick Transamerica Info Mgmnt : : Systems Administrator 1860 Howe Ave : : tfitzpatrick@tim.com Sacramento, CA 95825 : : fax (916) 921-6781 (916) 565-3346 : ............................................................................
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