Thanks to everyone who advised me on van shopping a few weeks ago. After innumerable experiences (some comical, some tragic) with various vanagons I was almost ready to consider other brands. Didn't think I could find what I needed for my max. price. All of you who said Seattle is over priced were right-many vanagons sell for 1-2 K over blue book. But then I met Delilah, and my problems were solved. She's an '87 GL with 1500 miles on a factory rebuild (it's still real shiny), done by a VW dealer. 111 K miles all together. Weekender, manual, a/c, dark grey, cruise control (BFD), and a putatively extra special paint job that is corrosion resistent (hype?). Super clean, inside and out, and I found a pair of used Yakima racks so I'm ready to hit the rivers with my kayak. :) And the CV joints were done about 10 K miles ago. No leaks, the tranny is dry, and tight alignment, too. THings I learned while shoppin': Used car lots are among the most miserable places on earth (got mine private). If you have to buy an older vehicle, I think going for a recent rebuild is more prudent, at least after seeing the repair receipts in glove boxes. Never let the seller talk with his girlfriend during the negotiating stages-I lost $300 this way. :) People lie. Anyhow, it's been nice eavesdropping on y'all during this process and I do like to do my own repairs whenever possible, so I'm sure I'll be around for a while. Jill
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