and, sorted by Performance Index ... Bus Type Performance Index RPM @ 60 mph 1.6 Vanagon Diesel Westy <extra 175 kg> 46.7 3650 1.6 Vanagon Diesel 52.3 3650 1600 'loaf Westfalia <extra 140 kg> 56.4 3484 2000 Vanagon Westy <extra 175 kg> 59.4 3072 1500 Micro Westfalia <extra 130 kg> 59.7 3575 1600 Breadloaf 62.7 3484 1700 'loaf Westfalia <extra 140 kg> 64.1 3484 2000 'loaf Westfalia <extra 160 kg> 64.4 3181 1200 Micro 64.5 3719 1800 'loaf Westfalia <extra 160 kg> 65.0 3416 2000 Vanagon 66.9 3072 1500 Micro <gearing for 1 ton GCW> 67.0 3575 1.9 Vanagon Westy <extra 175 kg> 70.3 3267 1700 'loaf 70.9 3484 2000 'loaf 72.2 3181 2.1 Vanagon Westy <extra 175 kg> 72.3 3072 1800 'loaf 72.9 3416 1.9 Vanagon Wasserboxer 79.1 3267 2.1 Vanagon 81.4 3072 so it would appear that the Index does mimic real life: the diesels are the slowest, and the gasoline-powered Vanagons are the "quickest". :) but, Dave, where are the Eurovans ... ??? :) joel
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