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Date:         Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:52:21 -0700
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From:         wabbott@mtest.teradyne.com (William Abbott)
Subject:      Oil, octane

Fellow asks about changing tranny oil, recomended engine oil, gas octane.

Personally, I change tranny oil on every used car I buy. You get a good fill of good stuff, for few dollars, get to see what drains out. Cars always seem to drive better after you work on 'em anyway. 90W130 sounds neat. Things to remember: Use *HYPOID* oil- its hard to find non Hypoid but it can be done and you don't want it. Our gear boxes have hypoid gears, constant mesh, and need the oil for 'em. The constant mesh means lower noise but also means the oil is slid-over by the sliding gear helixes, rather than simply being crushed like by straight-cut teeth. Gear oil 'wieght' is determined at a different temperature (since gear boxes run cooler) than engine oil- so your standard engine oil is '30' and your standard tranny oil is '90' but they don't appear all *THAT* different at room temp. They aren't, at room temp. You can get multi-viscosity tranny oil and I don't see why not use the stuff. But how to pick between 75W90 and 90W130 I don't know.

Engine oil: 10W40 is my choice. Straight 30 was probably good advice when St Muir wrote in 1968. Been a bit of progress since then. The bad rap about multi-viscosity oils is that the additive packages which cause it to seem to be thicker at higher temperatures (what we want) get used up as the oil is used. That's correct, and with the 3000 mile life of the additives, you'll certainly have changed the oil by then if you want the engine to last. Multi-viscosity oils are good because in their thin, cold, form, they pump quickly and lubricate fully when the engine is being started, AND thicken and continue lubricating well as the engine heats up. Straight 30 doesn't pump so well when cold, lube as well when hot.

I've always burned 92 or 89 blends in my cars. Plenty of fine people burn 87, but I've known of one non-pinging engine which failed catestrophicly from heat on a hot day going up hill with a tank full of 87. Sprayed molten aluminum from the head all over the undernside cooling tin. Wierd, and creepy.

Increased octane is SAID to lower combustion temperature, which I find believable. At speed, the spark is ADVANCED, because combustion takes time. The 'Motor' method of determining octane is to advance the spark until detonation occurs- higher (R+M)/2 means more resistance to detonation. I don't think detonation is on/off, but rather some interestingly shaped curve/shape through octane/advance/ mixture/temperature space. I'd be interested to read the results of anyone with a cylinder heat temp gauge running different octanes. If I ever get one, I'll post what I see.

Contrary to an earlier posting, I've heard (here no less) that increasing Octane typically gives Worse milage- and when I changed from 92 to 89 octane in my Corrado, I seemed to get a bit better milage. Is it Science? nah.

Cheers! Bill

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