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Date:         Wed, 15 May 1996 21:26:22 -0500 
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@vanagon.com>
From:         vwbus@TCPBBS.COM
Subject:      Re: 12-point tool

KE>K-D is the brand I broke three of, before I got my SnapOn.

KE>K-D may work for some folks, if their vehicles weren't assembled by KE>orang-utans. I have quite a few K-D tools I am happy with but the KE>triple-square driver is NOT one of them.

KE> --berry

Funny we got 3 different K-D triple squares, 2 8mm one 10mm, one of the 8's is older than I am (lost it for a few years and bought another at Montgy Wards oddly enough in the 80's) I've really torqued on some impossibly frozen CV bolts on buses that have sat in muck abandoned for 10 years and have never broken any of them. The older once wore to much to fit tight so I carefully ground a bit off on a water cooled grinder but it has seen a lot of CV bolts on a lot of VW's come and go.

BTW to the horror of all, I have broken a Snap-On socket once believe it or not, broke a Craftsman on the same bolt prior to the Snap-On in all fairness. Was trying to break loose a very solidly set lug nut on a parts bus to get to the calipers. It eventually took the 3/4 drive socket from my Harbor Freight set with about a 10' pipe extension and my 200+ pound frame to loosen, and amazingly it loosened and did not shear the stud. Calipers were rusted and useless of course. Snap-On is not the end all and be all IMHO, they are likely the best available today but I'd put any Craftsman made before the mid 70's in the league of current Snap-On. Old Crafsman has a finer feel better forging and a leaner but much stronger design than the current stuff. And of course when you break it (still rare) you take it to Sears and don't have to flag down the Snap-On truck. Those 2 sockets were the only hand tools of either of those brands I have ever broke excluding one of the new design 1/4" drive Craftsman tear drop shaped ratchets. They are pure crap FWIW IMHO. A tip if you ever have one of the old ones go bad, get the rebuild kit and rebuild it don't exchange for a new one. Particularly if you have the ones will the little ball bearing oil port on the top. Of course the rebuild kits are likely of dubious quality as well but at least it still looks like quality

John


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