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Date:         Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:09:01 -0500 (EST)
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@vanagon.com>
From:         SyncroHead@aol.com
Subject:      Re: Gasoline Grade?

In a message dated 97-03-13 01:24:36 EST, hunkins@mbay.net (Thad Hunkins) writes:

> What is the professional opinion on gas grade. My manual (88 > Vanagon) says 87 octane is fine. The guy I bought the vehicle from used > nothing but premium. Can I bump it down safely??

Please don't accuse me of being professional, but...

A higher octane number is an indication of the fuel's ability to withstand compression detonation. Too low an octane number will cause the fuel to "pre-detonate". That is, detonate from the effects of compression before the spark ignites the fuel. Having a higher octane number than the engine requires simply indicates that the fuel could have withstood higher compression after the spark already ignited it. An overly high octane number is of no value to you or your engine.

Be aware that one octane rating is NOT necessarily like another octane rating.

Octane numbers are measured by two methods. One called the Research Method which consistantly yields a higher number and the Motor Method which yields a lower number. In the USA the gas pumps show the average of the two methods, thus the little R+M/2 note on the octane number sticker. Typically Europe uses the Research Method only, and thus the VW (and others) manuals often will state something like "use gasoline with an octane rating of 92". This would equate to something like an 87 rating using the R+M/2 method.

You can safely use the lowest octane number gas that doesn't cause predetonation (pinging, also called knock or knocking) in your vehicle. I'd suggest backing down one grade from premium(R+M/2=92) and try a midgrade(R+M/2=89). Listen closely for pinging under hard accelleration, like up a hill. If you hear any, go back to premium. If not, thry the regular(R+M/2=87) grade and listen for pinging again. If you hear any, go back to the midgrade. If not, continue using the regular and continue to monitor for pinging.

Be a bit careful, since long term pinging can cause real damage. A single tank for test purposes with occasional pinging is not a problem. Also pinging begins well below our ear's ability to hear it. Listening for it under extreme load like attempting pedal-floored acceleration (relative for a Vanagon) up a hill with relatively low engine RPM can typically give you evidence of more general pinging. If you can't hear any under these circumstances, then your not likely to have pinging under normal driving, but you may have some unheared pinging in these extreme circumstances.

Many newer engines have "knock" sensors built into the engine block to "listen" for inaudible pinging. The engine management system uses this "knock" signal to adjust the timing of the ignition to eliminate the pinging on a split second basis.

Regards, Jim Davis 87 GL Syncro 88 GL Wolfsburg


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