Chet Douglas wrote: The Westphalia top came out of an 86 or newer (I remember it had square headlights) crashed van. The only hole that was needed on my 87 was from behind the front seats to about where the rear seat starts (when down flat) by the width of the van. The roof is really set up well for having the hole cut...just remember the wiring. There is a rear plywood section that was put on top of my existing roof (maybe this is integrated into the roof on a real factory job). No holes were made for this. The flip over section that completes the upstairs bed had to be raised about an 1.5" above where it was originally designed to sit using some simple wooden spacers. I like that though because I can leave food in my kitchen shelf when the bed is down. So I think the whole unit sits up higher but the bed has enough clearance when it is flipped in its stowed position and the top is down. If I had a digital camera I could post pictures.... Chet -- Chet Douglas - CRD Consulting - Peripheral FW,SW,and Drivers (541) 754 - 1817 Thanks for the best description yet of how to convert to a poptop DrRufo
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