My application -- windsurfing Want far back to help top popping My front is above the divot behind the skylight. Back is about 4-6" in front of the thicker part with the poptop hardware. Seems OK For big stuff I might either put a thirt bar right at front of pop top or even in luggage carrier, but have not done that yet -- I also am thinking that for a long sea kayak I'll just get some sort of styro pad and use the luggage area and those tie downs along with my 2 existing bars. -- good luck
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