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Date:         Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:00:39 -0400
Reply-To:     Derek Drew <drew@INTERPORT.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon mailing list <Vanagon@Gerry.SDSC.EDU>
From:         Derek Drew <drew@INTERPORT.NET>
Subject:      Re: Syncro Shocks, an update/lo
Comments: To: Carl Hansen <Carl_Hansen@ATK.COM>
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At 10:03 AM 8/27/97 -0600, you wrote: > SyncroBeast Syncro Shocks, an update/long ><snip><snip><snip> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:20:15 -0400 >From: David Bartolini <davidb@SKYBEST.COM> >Subject: HEAVY Duty Shocks > >I've watched and waited but lately, no one has brought up shocks--So here >goes. My creame puff 84 Westy needs a more stable ride, she needs to

As an 84 is not a syncro it cannot use syncro shocks, particularly not the front shocks.

>toughen up a bit! I'm interested in the Readers experience on specific >shocks. I would like some very HD, non air shocks. I am open to suggestions >and have a frugal budget. > >******************** >I am somewhat remiss in updating the list so here goes. > >An update to the Bigger/Better shocks for the Syncro crowd. Some traffic did >cross the list a couple of weeks ago, heres a synopsis of that info and where >I am with the search. > >Some good info has been gathered, and I remain commited to finding out WHO the >OEM manufacturer of the "N" suffix part is, hopefully so that I can get it >easier/less expensive from the manufacturer, rather than order from VW Germany >or from Peter Seikel. (Although Peter does come very highly recommended) > >The shock for the rear is the same as for the standarsd van.

This is not true.

The shock for >the front of a SYNCRO has a spring perch on it, and is stiffer than stock non >Syncro's. I do know that Bilstein does not make for the SYNCRO front, KONI >does not build a shock for the SYNCRO front, and Sachs/Boge builds only the >"C" suffix which is the softest available from VW. The "C" suffix is >available from VW America, and better prices can be found with Ron Salmon at >the Bus Depot. <www.busdepot.com>

Boge says they make a heavy duty version of the C shock which is widely available in Europe. Don't know if this is the N suffix or the M? suffix.

>1. Basically, of the three factory front shocks for Vanagon Syncro, all are >identical in dimensions and are progressively stiffer from suffix C to >suffix M to suffix N. > >>>>>>>>>>> >front shock: 251 413 031 C regular > 251 413 031 M 14'' HD package "Schlechtwegepaket" > 251 413 031 N 16'' > >rear shock: 251 513 031 D regular > 251 513 031 M 14'' HD package > 251 513 031 N 16'' > >2. Peter Seikel is happy to sell these and says the N style was the factory >option for the years 90 and 91 for 16" Transporters. Seikel says the springs >he sells are much stiffer than the factory springs and are also progressive >rate. He said the factory springs are 75 kios per 1cm spring rate whereas >his springs are 140 kilos per 1 cm. He says his heavy duty springs can fit >even a factory original C suffix shock absorber, so everthing fits together >in any combination, with no compatibility problems. > >Peter Seikel in Freigericht near Frankfurt/Main recommends the "N" absorbers. >Seikel used to develop racing and off-roading suspensions for all kinds of VW >and Audi also the T3 syncros he is probably the most experienced person about >these items. Give him a call or better a fax it is worth while. He also offers >reinforced coil springs for the T3 syncro. > >Auto Seikel GmbH >Herr Peter Seikel >Industriestrasse 5 >D 63579 Freigericht >Phone: +49 - 60 55 - 52 82 >Fax: +49 - 60 55 - 82 731 > >Prices: > Front spring: DM243 each is $135 each @ 1.8 exchange = $270 the pair > Rear spring: DM315 each is $175 each @ 1.8 exchange = $350 the pair > > Front shock DM315 each is $175 each @ 1.8 exchange = $350 the pair > Rear shock DM208 each is $115 each @ 1.8 exchange = $230 the pair > > So you have a full setup of heavy duty springs and shocks for $1,200 > >Another adress you could try is: >projektzwo >Herr Rissmann >Saarburgstrasse 13 >D 86899 Landsberg >Phone: + 49 - 81 91 - 92 77 - 0 >Fax: +49 - 81 91 - 92 77 - 99 > >projektzwo sells mostly show stuff, but does have some rather nifty fender >flairs and brush bars and a lift kit for Syncro's using the stock stiffer "N" >shocks, and hey, it's a real flashy brochure. You could drool over the thng >for hours, and it's only 3 pages, double sided. > >A local contact for projektzwo is VW Sports - 703-451-5134 Springfield VA > >************* >That's all I know now. I continue to look for the OEM for the "N" suffix, and

I think, suspect that the OEM for N is Boge itself. I bet we could order Ns through a European equivalent to FLAPS.

>will probably just break down and get from Seikel in the near future. (that >is if I can get ahold of Derek Drew and ask him how you order overseas. I'm a >bit nervous about that, never having done it before.)

I recomend you have the order sent government postal mail, ground surface on a credit card. Otherwise, ask the party if they can cash a USA$$ check and just sent them a check.

>Ch >'89 Syncro Beast >'87 GTI 16V >'86 Scirocco (SO's) > > > > ___________________________________ Derek Drew New York, NY drew@interport.net


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