Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:56:32 -0700
Reply-To: Ray Hunnam <hunnam@PNC.COM.AU>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <Vanagon@vanagon.com>
From: Ray Hunnam <hunnam@PNC.COM.AU>
Organization: RAYJEN Security
Subject: Re: CD
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Ron
You are correct. I was one of the originals who stood up for this issue. I
have always prided myself on saying that nothing is impossible. I still
believe in this however I also have another motto which I use when encountering
those individuals you mention. If the battle is not worth winning then why
fight. In this case we have the archives, ok they may be a pain at times to
access but it can be done. It is simply not worth the risk and hassle of having
your arse sued off ya, then lets drop this idea. Those cretins who have stymed
this idea, wallow in your shallow victory, it may be the only one you ever
get.
Ray Hunnam
coyote wrote:
> >All the talk of the archive CD is turning up some good ideas, but I think
> >getting the list owners and others who own the copyrighted materials on
> >board is the first order of business. Without that "Nada!". Leaves the
> >entire project open to legal action, whether it is all volunteer, not for
> >profit, un-intentional trespass or whatever.
>
> It's a pretty sticky issue. I've been getting some nasty mail from two
> folks from the 'type2' list about trampling peoples' rights. (You've all
> seen Ken Hooper's recent rather nasty email, and I thought he was a friend.)
> Of course that isn't my intention... rather, I want to buy one of these CDs,
> and I want to make it possible.
>
> Starting with yesterday's posts, we're solid. Folks have been notified of
> the following:
>
> The vanagon mailing list archives are copyright
> (c) 1994-1998, the vanagon mailing list administrators
> holding the copyright to the collection, and authors
> holding copyrights to their individual messages.
> Posting messages to this mailing list grants permission
> to the mailing list administrators to reproduce the
> message in a compilation, either printed or electronic.
> Reprinting messages from this archive without the
> express permission of the author is forbidden.
>
> Any profits from list compilations go exclusively
> towards the management and operation of the Vanagon
> mailing list and vanagon mailing list web site.
>
> I *think* that this is enough. The problem lies with past recipients.
> Unless we get explicit permission from them to post their messages in the
> vanagon list archives (http://gerry.vanagon.com), we're open to lawsuits.
> I've been told by at least one person that my company, who is allowing their
> T1 to be used for the list, could also be sued.
>
> As a volunteer, this is frankly upsetting, and I'm wondering if I really
> want to be involved with this list. It's not worth the stress, and believe
> me, I'm under a lot of stress these days.
>
> Are there any (good) lawyers on the list who wish to tell us how I can keep
> bad folks from destroying my (rather small) company, and our (rather large)
> list community?
>
> Coyote
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