Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:41:25 -0700
Reply-To: Ray Hunnam <hunnam@PNC.COM.AU>
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From: Ray Hunnam <hunnam@PNC.COM.AU>
Organization: RAYJEN Security
Subject: Re: CD
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Listers
I posted emails dealing with this very issue. I have received some private
postings questioning my apparent retreat on this issue. Let me state that
those dicks can sue me all they want. In the end they will end up with
three parts of *#@* all. You see I dont have much to start with.
What prompted me to write my second posting was a concern for Ron. It
appears that some pricks - opps sorry - was threatening to sue Ron and take
him to the cleaners. Now that doesn't sit well with me. Thats why I posted
my retreat - no! not retreat - strategic withdrawal.
Its all well and good, for me to say - go ahead sport sue me ..... but I
have no right to speak for Ron or Chris - remember them - our front men for
the list. They may have a lot more to loose. As for me I like a good or
even dirty fight but I have no right to commit others into a fight just
because I want one.
If its a blue we are going to have - then its a all in - or nothing.
Ray.
Steven X. Schwenk wrote:
> Good points. Ron has good reason to be concerned, though, since he is
> hosting the server and is an administrator of the list. It still costs
> money to get out of a frivilous suit....thousands typically. Now if
> others went out and did this....on their own, Ron has no control over or
> responsibility for that.
>
> As far as getting sued...it's always possible, but how likely,
> especially if you are not a "business entity" with assets.
>
> I do not understand why any one is getting upset, unless it is concerns
> over ill-gotten profits. If everyone can access the archive over the
> web, what difference if people access it from a CD, as John noted.
> Listees consent to publication in the archive by virtue of sending the
> post to the list server...they are the ones who publish it there. Why
> would this consent not extend to archives on a CD as opposed to archives
> on a hard drive, especially if only listmembers could get the CDs and
> there was no profit? This is the one legal isue I would like to
> research...and will try to take a look at next week.
> steve
>
> Bob Berkemer wrote:
>
> > My goodness, I can't believe all the storm being raised over the
> > copyright issue. If somebody wants to pay the money to take the "list"
> >
> > to court because we printed their question about "what oil filter to
> > use" then let them sue us. We've got a lot more important things in
> > our
> > life to worry about than this and so do the courts.
> >
> > If the list can't get this sorted out pretty soon then I'm just going
> > make up a CD of the archives myself. If we have to we can just publish
> >
> > detailed instructions on how to do it and let everyone go their own
> > way.
> > This is potentially a very useful tool for us and we're being held
> > hostage over nothing that is going to hurt us.
> >
> > Bob
> > 84 westy
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