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Date:         Fri, 8 May 1998 16:25:06 -0700
Reply-To:     "Steven X. Schwenk" <sxs@SCHWENK-LAW.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <Vanagon@vanagon.com>
From:         "Steven X. Schwenk" <sxs@SCHWENK-LAW.COM>
Subject:      Re: Dorking, Was:Re: Daytime running lights for US Vanagons
Comments: To: Vanagon@VANAGON.COM
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The seat belt law more or less achieves voluntary seat-belting and is modifing behavior so that people automatically buckle up out of habit and common sense, not because of the coercion of the law. I've never seen the law enforced. If you don't want to wear one, don't. Because the law is generally not abused by the police and because it saves millions in insurance premiums (mine too) not to mention lives.... I say leave it alone. Now if you're willing to pay mandatory higherr insurance premium to cover the extra costs and risks of being a non-seatbelted driver, then the argument to abolish the laws might be a little more persuasive to me.

Fred Porter wrote:

> Kelly, > I dont think you are a dork for using your seatbelts or for thinking > that DLRLSRS are a good idea (the lights are a good idea) and I don't > have a problem with using seatbelts or using my own brain to command > my > fingers to turn on my headlights eventhough the sun hasn't set (i > don't > have DRLS). The problem i have is that every small interest group has > a > problem they want fixed through legislation rather than taking it upon > > themselves to educate people and let them choose for them selves (i > imagine i could set off an atom bomb right now if i brought up > abortion). If we were really concerned with health and dollars wasted > > fixing people that get hurt by not doing something responsibly, then > there would be legislation against fat merchants such as McDonalds, > burger king, etc and taxes on fat people because circulatory disease > is > the biggest killer in the USA (much more so than in other countries) > and > HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars are spent taking care of these fat > people who aren't responsible enough to take care of themselves. > Common > sense and personal responsiblity should be enough to take care of > simple > things like seat belts and lights and to know that the 300 lbs > indicated > on the bathroom scales says something is wrong. Guess you can tell i > have a problem with obesity and america's growing trend of greatness > and > what it indicates about a person (health/genetic problems aside). > > it just bugs the living *&%$# out of me when i can't turn something > off. Have you ever heard all the warning beeps, bloops and bongs that > a > ford explorer produces for every senseless possible consideration to > remind a forgetful, carefree (ha, ha) american that he didn't put his > underwear on right side out? > > geeze, it's happy hour! > thanks, > fred > > Kelly Bauman wrote: > > > > At 12:29 08-05-98 -0600, Fred Porter wrote: > > >Eventhough DLRs have been statistically shown to reduce accidents, > they > > >are still just another piece of unnecessary legislation, reducing > > >personal responsibility. > > > > If enough people were personally responsible with helmets, seat > belts, use > > of headlights, etc. then you wouldn't need "unnecessary legislation" > in the > > first place. Sadly, there are too many people who aren't "dorking > around" > > with their safety equipment in use and you end up having to > legislate it. > > The system also needs legislation for the car makers to develop and > provide > > the safety options at a reasonable price. > > > > Kelly - Apparently a "dork" since I use my seatbelt and my DRLs > > > > Kelly Bauman > > Delta, BC > > '91 Westy > > -- > remove NOSPAM to reply


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