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Date:         Tue, 26 May 1998 15:48:30 -0700
Reply-To:     "Steven X. Schwenk" <sxs@SCHWENK-LAW.COM>
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From:         "Steven X. Schwenk" <sxs@SCHWENK-LAW.COM>
Subject:      Syncro Rumble...Syncro Whine Status
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Here's a status report on my drive-line symptoms. This all started when I noticed a rumble/reverberation in the drive line at between 2600 and 3000 rpm. Then I noticed that the usual drive-line noise/whine at freeway speeds over 60 seemed to have a "waver" in it, and seemed not to be the flat, relatively quiet whine I was used to.

I first removed the front drive shaft ... yes indeed, time for new u-joints, but the rumbling/reverberation was still there even with the drive-shaft removed. Took it to a VW mechanic who said he thought it was CV's or the transaxle. While replacing the cv joints, I discovered that the brake adjustment tab rived to one of the new brake shoes had come loose, and was dangling preventing proper adjustment so that one rear brake was over-adjusted and hanging-up briefly once every revolution while the other was under adjusted.

The CV's were not too bad, but worth replacing while all was apart. Wheel bearings seemed fine. Repairing the rear brake mess took away most of the rumble sound at between 2500 and 3000, but there is still a fluttering like feeling in the drive-line at that RPM,and I was still concerned about the whine at over 60 mph, and only under load.

I had another mecahnic from a strictly VW shop (nearly all busses and vanagons) go out for a ride with me today. He thought the whine at over 60 mph was not bad at all and was very close to what it should be ... he postulated that the bearings were fine since the noise was only under load at over 60 mph. He thought that it might be the 4th gear itself beginning to show signs of wear, but said it would be ok to drive it...this would not do additional harm to other components in the short term. The noise will likely get louder over time as the part begins to wear out faster and will eventually require repair or other components could get damaged or are likely to be wearing out, too. He had no guess on the fluttering feeling in the drive line....I had to drive it to reproduce it for him....he could not feel it while driving. When he did see what I was talking about, he basically shrugged and indicated that he could not guess what it was since I had covered all the usual suspects already, but he did not think it was anything to be overly concerned aboout. He also looked at my trans. oil sample I brought along and said it looked fine for color with no visible particules.

So...what a pain in the b***. Still have the wavering....but thank god I didn't jump when the other mechanic who drove it said to have the transaxle rebuilt. Weedler Eng. expressed the opinion that it was premature for my tranny to go since syncro transaxles usually do not fail until between 120,000 and 150,000 miles. With this in mind, I was compelled to get the second opinion I got today.

I am going to lower my max cruise speed to about 65 mph from 75 mph to ease up the stress on the transaxle a bit and hopefully squeeze another 20,000 miles out of it. If and when I find out what is causing the fluttering feel in the drive-line, I will post the result. If the high speed whine gets worse, I'll post that info too. steve 1990 syncro westfalia (now onto the head leak survey...stay tuned for postings of a brief summary of the raw data within the next week. Ian will then do his formal analysis with his fancy software and know how.)


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