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Date:         Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:50:22 -0500
Reply-To:     Dave <dave@V-DUB.MUSA.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <Vanagon@vanagon.com>
From:         Dave <dave@V-DUB.MUSA.COM>
Subject:      Re: Vanagon Safety - Stopping Distance?
Comments: To: Lawrence Johnson <ljohnson@halhinet.on.ca>
Comments: cc: Vanagon@vanagon.com
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Ok, here are the numbers from Road & Track June 1985 for a standard waterboxer (1.9L):

BRAKES Minimum stopping distances, ft: From 60 mph ............... 178 From 80 mph ............... 297 Overall brake rating .... very good

Ok, so from 60 to 0 is 178 feet, 80 to 0 is 297, sounds to me like the 70 to 0 should be around 250 ft. If you'd like to verify these numbers go to: http://www.tiu.net/~des/vw/reports/83bus.html .

Here's another form an 80 Vanagon: BRAKES Minimum stopping distances, ft: Control in panic stop ... excellent From 60 mph ............... 164 Pedal effort for 0.5g stop, lb.. 28 There were no 80 mph numbers, guess it didn't go 80? Anyway these numbers can be found at: http://www.tiu.net/~des/vw/reports/80bus.html

Oh, look, an 86 Syncro, now these are impressive numbers:

BRAKING 70-0 mph @ impending lockup ...... 191 ft Modulation ....................... excellent Fade ............................. none Front-rear balance ............... good

191 ft? Yeah, the 86's have the new(er) caliper design and it's a syncro, what do you think a 2WD does?? If Lawrence describes his brakes as poor what more could you want???? These figures can be found at http://www.tiu.net/~des/vw/reports/synchro.html (yes, there is an h in SyncHro, maybe these special H Syncro's have better brakes?)

: ) <---Me happily gloating about my Vanagon, and it's brakes.

Dave Filcoff ICQ: 4146736 coolbus@v-dub.musa.com 87 Vanagon GL Wolfsburg (129k) 88 Fox GL (148k) St. Louis / Columbia, MO LiMBO - Gateway VW Club - VWoA VW Club - Der Busbezitzer Gruppe

volkswagens! Vanagons to GTIs. http://v-dub.musa.com

-----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Johnson <ljohnson@halhinet.on.ca> To: Multiple recipients of list <vanagon@vanagon.com>; Dave <dave@v-dub.musa.com> Date: Saturday, June 27, 1998 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Vanagon Safety - Stopping Distance?

>Fellow Listees, who knows how fast the Vanagon stops? > >Dave Filcoff says "Back to the brakes, if memory serves Car and Driver's >standard 2WD Vanagon non-Westy stopped 70 to 0 mph in 201 ft, I think it was >around '85 or so." > >I checked with an old copy (Mar 1992) of Road and Track. They quote stopping >distances from 80 mph. I used the (70^2/80^2) ratio to calculate 70 mph >distances for a few vehicles: > >1992 Road and Track 80 to 0 mph 70 to 0 mph > >Infiniti Q45 253 ft 194 ft >Mercedes 500SL 256 ft 196 ft >Toyota MR2 Turbo 254 ft 194 ft >VW Corrado G60 266 ft 204 ft >Volvo 940 Turbo 256 ft 196 ft > >I find it hard to believe that the Vanagon is in this league. > >Larry > >


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