Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:34:33 -0700
Reply-To: vwmaster@VOLKS-MOTORSPORTS.COM
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From: vwmaster@VOLKS-MOTORSPORTS.COM
Subject: Re: Eurospec Conversion MORE INFO!!!!Part2
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Ari Ollikainen wrote:
>
> At 6:46 AM 7/29/98, vwmaster@volks-motorsports.com wrote:
> >Ok guys,
> >
> > Here's the dirt on the "Issues" you're bringing up.
> >
> > Yes AC is something you need to specify when ordering a Eurospec
> >engine.
>
> Do you use the existing compressor from the wasserboxer or does
> the conversion supply a replacement? In any case...we're looking at
> a complete evacuation and refill after the conversion is completely
> installed...meaning more $$ (probably a good time to convert to
> R134a?)
I belive that the engine will come WITH the correct brackets to
install your unit. It is a bit unclear to me HOW they are going to
accomplish this, but I know that EVERY van has a list of about 10
questions to answer to get the Correct configuration.
> >
> > Cruise is too, along with Power Steering.
> >
> So do these "options" cost more?
Again, I belive the bracketry is the issue here but I've seen the work
done by the Tech and he is very meticulis.
>
> And what about the Calfifornia Air Resources Board - CARB -
> certification? Can you give us the certificate number?
> How will a California Vanagon with this kit installed be treated
> at smog test time? Will the Eurospec conversion show up in the
> database?
>
> As I recall, engine transplants/conversions are allowed ONLY if the
> donor engine is the same year or newer than the donee. Has Eurospec
> taken this into account and supplies year matched (or newer)
> donor engines?
It took MNANY months to get the Carb endorsment. The engines are
Brand New Units, not used so conforming to same year or newer is Not an
issue here.
As far as a CARB # has not been issued but Staus has been issued
(Granted)
>
> > The amount of time and money put into this kit is more than any of us
> >can imagine. I drove the prototype van a year and a half ago.
> >
> It better be, if the price is $5K per kit...installed? What's
> the price of the kit w/o installation? Or is it only installable
> by a Eurospec "authorized" shop? What sort of warranty will they
> offer on the parts they supply?
$5000.00 is what the kit is offered at from eurospec. Install is
additional. In the euro Car article it's written a bit mis leading in
this area, But the MSRP is $5000.00 Eurospec is NOT installing the
engines. They're training different people that they TRUST to do the
installs for them. Hence a $1000.00-1200.00 price for the install.
Until there are a number of kits on the road, and as the European Car
issue says (have you read it?) All installs will be done by Eurospec
Auth Dealers. In time this kit WILL be offered Uninstalled, I see 9
months to a year at least before this is an option.
History shows that Eurospec warranties parts for 6 months OR 6,000
miles.
>
> So what's their business plan on re-powering Vanagons? Do they
> plan to sell 1000s of these kits, or more?
They hope to sell as many as possible but time will tell how many are
sold and the
>
> > Since then there is also an Automatic Westy in their fleet too.
> >
> This is Good...I'll bet the autobox version is another "option"...
> since it will require a tap into the coolant system for the
> ATF (fluid-to-fluid) cooler. Or does Eurospec use the Vanagon
> plastic "coolant distribution unit"? What will the auto option cost?
The govenor is changed to allow the trans to shift at a different RPM
as well as there being different hose's. Included in the Auto "KIT".
>
> > The only people left out of having this awesome engine are the Syncro
> >owners and I've been at bat for the Syncro owners since I got wind of
> >this project almost 2years ago?
> >
> That's Bad.
But I'm pushing for it and once the 2WD engine has all it's bugs
"Purged" I'm sure that will be the next step. We've waited this long
why not a little longer?
>
> > If you look back in the archives I posted about this quite a while
> >back. I also was told that European Car was to come out with this
> >article on the 15th and I was going to have allready posted MUCH of the
> >info to the list prior to this.
>
> That posting (2/12/97) was somewhat contentless other than mentioning
> the conversion kit development effort and the hearsay which smacked
> of Audi runaways ;^):
> " The tech told me that it was hard to get it slowed down!
> He said it totally overpowered the braking system."
My hands are and were tied at that time and you didn't look far enough
back because I posted probably a year and a half ago about driving this
van etc.
In the end of the EC article it talkks about the larger Front Brakes
availible to stop this powerplant....
> >
> > Another piece f info is that the adapter plate is made by Euorspec,
> >NOT Kennedy.
> >
> Is this Good or Bad? What makes Eurospec's adapter better than
> KEP's?
I didn't imply Eurospecs plate was better, just informing. Isn't that
what you and others are asking for????
>
> > If anyone has questions feel free to e-mail me directly on this topic
> >as I have probably more info than all combinded on this topic? I've
> >been waiting for this to be released for some time now, there still is a
> >small lag in a couple of the kit parts but I expect to have delivery of
> >kits on schedule.
> >
>
> If Eurospec expects to sell and you expect to re-sell/install
> these inline power conversion kits to the Vanagon owning public,
> you'll have to be more forthcoming with the details including
> specifications, options, costs, warranty and anything else that will
> help someone to make the decision to plunk down the money to buy.
>
> Diverting the questions to personal e-mail is, IMHO, a tactic that
> gives you a list of interested, self-seleted, potential customers but
> keeps the rest of the listees in the dark AND limits your future
> market. In the interest of disclosure, I suggest that you make
> available as much information as you can directly to the list AND
> answer any and all questions regarding this conversion on the list.
I'm NOT keeping anything from the LIST, I have nothing to gain by
doing that. I feel that the above statement is an attack on me and I
really don't like it. I've kept nobody in the Dark about this or other
things I'm working on. I've e-mailed the List and cc'd the people too.
Is there a problem with that?
I'm not hiding anything or behind anything. I feel that I'm one of
the most giving people when it comes to information and sources and I
don't like implications otherwise.
I Also try not to use the List as a Businees Platform. Sure most of
you know who I am and what I can offer you, but I try NOT to post
constantly about things I have for sale. IF there is a topic I may jump
in, BUT I don't or didn't think that the standard was to "Advertise" on
the List?
I hope that the above statements don't offend anybody, some people
spend alot of time trying to get projects,Parts and info so that other
people can benifit from it. I do this, and many listmemebers have
benifitted from me and others doing so. I'm glad to be able to do what I
do, I'm glad to be part of the Vanagon List, most of the time.
--
Kyle
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