Date:         Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:09:45 +0200
Reply-To:     Helmut Zeidler <Helmut_Zeidler@NOTESMAIL.NOKIA.COM>
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From:         Helmut Zeidler <Helmut_Zeidler@NOTESMAIL.NOKIA.COM>
Subject:      Re: How To Get Fatherland "Vanagon" Lists delivered here in
              English
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Date:    Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:37:00 -0400
From:    Derek Drew <drew@INTERPORT.NET>
Subject: How To Get Fatherland "Vanagon" Lists delivered here in English
Hello all,

Derek wrote:

>They refer to us as T3 owners, but we think of ourselves as Type 2 here.
>Tom N. Mr. 16" fame previously explained the discrepancy on this list.
I haven't seen a reply from Tom, so it's my turn. VW developed several
models, starting with T1, which is the bug, beetle, Ka:fer. Second
vehicle developed by VW is the T2, the known VW-Bus. Third one is T3,
in US known as Fastback, Notchback.

But that's not all, in the ongoing development of the VW-Bus VW continued
to name them T1, T2, T2a, T3 (Vanagon), T4 (Eurovan). The full naming
of the Vanagon should be T2T3. In the German it is usual to name the
Vanagon T2, even on VAG garages. So there is a conflict on the German
VW-Bus list, some do name Vanagon T2, some T3. There is an own query
about the naming, and I recommended to name the Vanagon T3, as the list
contends only VW-Bus (T2) related messages.

As a reference:

T1   all VW Busses with splittet front window
     03/50 - 07/67

T2   all VW Busses 08/67 - 07/79

T2a  all VW Busses 08/67 - 07/72; this are the
     ones with rounded bumpers and front turn
     light right above the bumper

T3   all VW Busses with rear engine later 08/79

T4   all VW Busses with front engine (up to now)

Derek wrote:

>I realize there is a small matter of getting
>permission for this to happen, but I believe such permission would likely
>be obtainable, or the deed could simply be undertaken without asking and
>we'd wait and see what happens.

I will start a thread on this on the German list, lets see what happens.

Regards
Helmut
'80 Vanagaudi