Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:58:42 +0200
Reply-To: Meier Michael <Michael.Meier@VT.SIEMENS.DE>
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From: Meier Michael <Michael.Meier@VT.SIEMENS.DE>
Subject: Re: How To Get Fatherland "Vanagon" Lists delivered here in Engli
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Hi Ray,
Martin Peitz had the right explanation for this.
Type 1: all Beetles (Type 11 [flat screen], Type 13 [super beetle, 1303 ],
Karmanns [type 14], cabrios [type 15], things [type 181, RHD-Versions
called 182], all of them based on the beetle-like chassis,
with beetle engine.
Type 2: ALL Buses. ALL!!!!! Even the Front-engined 91----> are Type 2's, but
4th generation and so T(ransporter-generation)4s.
Type 3: The squarebacks [type 36], notchbacks [type 31], fastbacks [type 32?]
and the rare rasore edged Karmanns [type 34]
Type 4: 411/412s 68--->74 with that kind of engine that survived in the
petrol-US-vanagon up to 83.5. We've got the 1.9 waterboxers from 82 on.
With the beginning of watercooling the confusion started.
The strange front-engined K70 is a Type 48, the mid-engined 914 VW/Porsche
is a Type 47 with a type 4 engine.
Early Golfs are also counted as type 1's, but subnumbered as type 171,
Mk 2 Golfs subnumbered as 19E.
Early Passats were numbered as type 32 (mid 70's to early 80's) and 32B (early
80's to late 80's).
!!!!!From then on really nobody understood their nomenclature no longer.!!!!!!!
Today they count their cars in classes.
A-class Golf, Audi A3, Skoda Octavia, all based on the same kind of chassis
B-class Passat/Dasher/Audi80/Fox/Audi A4
C-class Audi A6 (former Audi 100, 5000)
T-class Transporters, counted from generation to generation.
Up to 1991 nobody has ever called a split a Type 2 T1, a bread a Type2 T2
or a vanagon a T3, but with the 4th generation it was necessary for VW to count them
to get them separated.
Early T2's (round style bumbers) are called T2a
here in Fatherland, but when they arrived, nobody could know, that there would
ever be another style, so - T2a is a name that was borne later from
the enthuisiasts (I remember I've heared it first time in the early 90's),
not from the factory, same with T2b, the 72 on shape.
Maybe they've done it in VW's R+D, but nobody external.
So nowadays the confusion for the average user is perfect.
Remember, Martin is right: A T3 is a vanagon, a T4 is a Eurovan, a Type 3
is a 1600, a Type 4 is a 411/412. A Type 2 is a bus. Any VW-Bus. That's official.
Nice to see you as confused as nearly everybody here in Fatherland,
Michael Meier
Germany, Braunschweig (20 mls from Wolfsburg)
58 split (Type 2, T1, Type 1 engined)
77 westy (Type 2, T2[b], Type 4 engined)
90 caravelle C (Type 2, T3)
74 412L (Type 4)
84 BMW 316a (E30)
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Rays Message was:
Re: Re: How To Get Fatherland "Vanagon" Lists delivered here in English
>Hi Helmet.
>Very interesting reading thanks. I was always under
>the impression that my 91
>Vanagon was a Type 2 production model and designated as
>a T3. VW called
>their family of Beatles etc Type 1. Next were all types
>of buses known
>collectively as Type 2, The square backs. Fast backs
>etc were the Type 3 models and the Type 4 were the
>Golfs Passats etc.
>Now each Type had a further sub-classification. The
>Type 2's were divided
>into T1, the early busses, the T2's the breadloafs, T3
>being the Vanagons and
>T4's the Eurovans.
>They sure got me confused. I read this in a book
>called the Volkswagen
>Chronicle which is a history of VW from the early days.
>Therefore my 91 Van is designated at a Type 2 T3 (
>Vanagon)
>Let me know what you think.
>Regards
>Ray.
