Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 03:46:00 -0500
Reply-To: Darrell Boehler <midwesty@MIDWEST.NET>
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From: Darrell Boehler <midwesty@MIDWEST.NET>
Subject: Re: 85 Westy GL- Winterizing tips?/Newbie Tips
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Hi Budd,
I am no more technically adept than any one else, more like inept, but
I have some personal experience with a fram ph8a on a 78 2L air cooled. Last
winter one stretched all out of shape. I noticed it leaking a bit of oil
around the filter and upon closer inspection found it was stretched about
0.25 inch longer, enough to let the filter element hang loose inside and not
be functional as a filter any longer. I normally rely on personal
experience and had never experienced problems with any filters and assumed
fram was as good as any and better than most so I was slow to grasp what
people on the list were saying and ignored the warnings. The oil pressure
in the 78 is on the high side around 80 psi when cold in winter and I had
kept the 15-50 oil in it. However I never rev a cold engine. The 78 also
has a heavy duty oil pump which pumps more oil. I have since noticed filters
from the fatherland are generally constructed with heavier thicker metal, I
don't know about more paper element as you mention. Not easy for me but I
made the switch.
Darrell Boehler
-----Original Message-----
From: Budd Premack <bpremack@WAVETECH.NET>
To: vanagon@VANAGON.COM <vanagon@VANAGON.COM>
Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: 85 Westy GL- Winterizing tips?/Newbie Tips
>David M has inquired why my suggestion to Newbies was to avoid Fram oil
>filters.
>
>I hope one of you more technically adept Listees can provide a proper
>response.
>
>All I know is that the oil warning buzzer and light come on at various
>times with Fram filters, but not with OE VW filters. I was informed by
>other Listees that the Fram (and smilar brands) filters do not use enough
>filtering material, which thus does not create enough back pressure, so not
>as much oil pressure is developed. I recall that it is also connected with
>the differences in oil bypass springs, which allow some of the oil to
>bypass the filtering medium, therefore altering the flow of oil back to the
>engine, and thus impacting the actual oil pressure readings.
>
>Attached is a copy of my posting of 10-16-97 which more thoroughly detailed
>my prior problems with the oil warning sensors.
>
>These results were observed by me on three vans, 84, 86, and 87, so even
>though I am technically challanged, I feel confident that the advice is
>solid.
>
>The oil stained gauntlet has been thrown down; who among us will scoop it
>up?
>
>Budd Premack
>86 Syncro, 73 Super
>Minneapolis, MN (Land of Sky-Blue Waters)
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