Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:07:10 -0500
Reply-To: "Joe L." <jliasse@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: "Joe L." <jliasse@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
Subject: "SPAM"? Hardly; (Was Bus Depot SPAM, again!)
I believe "SPAM" is a term that describes volume as well as content.
If so Ron has a long way to go before he can be called a spamer.
Thinking back, I can recall few pure "ads" that were not given in reply
to some request for information or in connection with some thread. Someone
would say, "I got this trouble." whereupon Ron would reply "This is what you
need, this is what I got and this is what it costs.". Information compleatly
relevent to the origional posting and perhaps even helpfull to the poster.
In the odd event of an "unsolicited" ad the items advertised are
usually somewhat hard to get and Ron's announcment of their avaliability is
usually followed by a spate of replies saying "YEAH! I'LL TAKE THREE!" or
words to that effect. Either that or an announcment that he has aquired some
common item at an especially good price. These announcments again to be
followed by stampeeding list members anxious to get a few before they are
all gone.
Let us also not forget that he has given much totally free advice that
I, for one, have greatly benefitted from.
If, during all this Ron manages to make a buck I say God Bless him.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Smith <smitht@UNB.CA>
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 4:11 PM
Subject: Bus Depot SPAM, again!
>Jezuuz H...
>(or pick a diety of your choice)
>
>Kent Christenson sent a nicely phrased message a couple of weeks back how
>this list was "over the top" as far as advertising goes, and this latest
>spamming from Salmon (below) is typical of the worst of it! This is a
>blatant plug for his business, sugar coat it however you want to. It was
>NOT a kind little PSA to illuminate us into the intricacies of vanagon
>filters, it was a plug, plain and simple.
>
>I too subscribe(d) to other lists, Audi, Porsche, and Off-Road, and the
>vanagon list is the worst. Please don't reply with some anti-elitist crap
>that 'perhaps you should stay on the LandRover?BMW/etc list, since you can
>aford dealer parts" There IS a problem with spam on this list, more than
>any other list I've been on. Something needs to be done, either go
>commercial, charge the vendors for access priveliges and monthly
>advertising rights, or simply put a block on vendors posting to the list.
>I hate to advocate a moderated list, especially due to the workload this
>imposes on any listmeister, but uninformative posts designed only to sell
>product or bring attention to a vanagon related business have no place on
>the list and need to be moderated. Perhaps if vendors policed themselves I
>wouldn't have to bring this non-vanagon issue up again.
>
>pissed off again by sales weasels, XOXOX, Tim Smith
>
>....... the offending article (see at end also)
>
>Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:44:07 -0500
>From: The Bus Depot <ron@NETCARRIER.COM>
>Subject: Re: Oilfilters 1:st oilchange
>
>Regarding the question of economical cross-references for the expensive
>Dealer oil filters for your Vanagon:
>
>The two original oil filter suppliers to Volkswagen are Mann and Mahle. I
>stock them under the actual manufacturers' names, rather than the
Volkswagen
>name, for much less than the dealer price. I variously ship either Mann
or
>Mahle depending on which I can get at a better price at any given time.
They
>are interchangeable in terms of quality, and both feature the correct flow
>characteristics for the Vanagon engine. Not all aftermarket filters do.
>
>For the watercooled Vanagons, they are $4.29 each. For the aircooled
>Vanagons, $3.99 each. Minimum purchase is 4.
>
>- Ron Salmon
> The Bus Depot
>
>
>and a final note.....
>
>Just to put this deal in context I buy my wasser Bosch oilfilters for
>$4.99Cdn at my local hardware/FLAPS store. This is ~$3.25US for Bosch
>filters in a Bosch box, so $4.29 is a rip-off, and I don't have to buy 4 at
>a time nor pay shipping. Wake up folks, he's only in it for the money,
>yours!
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