Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:10:57 -0700
Reply-To: David Marshall <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
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From: David Marshall <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
Subject: Re: Which VW engine fit in the Vanagon?
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Yes, you would have to modify the deck lid - even with a 1.8L :(
At 07:26 18/05/1999 -0400, EMZ wrote:
>Dave,
> I have a Syncro. If I install a inline 4 Cyl. at 15 deg. Would
>I have to cut a hole in the engine compartment lid? It seams to me
>that the 2 1/2 inch you need to clear the lid maybe just enough
>difference between the Syncro and the 2 WD. Also different
> I4 cyl. have different heights.... are you refering the 2 liter?
> Eric 86-VW4x4
> vw4x4@fyi.net 72-240z
> Pittsburgh, PA USA 1936-Chrysler
>
>
>On Mon, 17 May 1999, David Marshall wrote:
>
>> Just about any Volkswagen inline four fits a Vanagon. This includes the
>> 158hp 1.8L G60 Corrado engine and the 150hp 1.8L Passat Turbo engine. Can
>> the transmission take the huge jump in power should be the question!
>>
>> On the Audi scene again just about every engine out there will fit
>> including the 2.2L 168hp 5 cylinder turbo, although it is a REALLY tight
>> squeeze!
>>
>> They *all* have their limitations though. None of these engines will fit
>> with out some alteration of loss of "something" as the Vanagon's engine
>> compartment is very shallow.
>>
>> I have the most experience with the VW inline four engines installing them
>> in both 2WD and Syncro Vanagons. There are two ways you can mount these
>> engines [for now] the 50 deg angle like the early 80s Diesels and at 15 deg
>> as is found in the Golf / Jetta. The 50 deg angle will not interfere with
>> engine lid or decrease ground clearance, but you will have to cut a section
>> out of the frame rail on the driver side of the vanagon to make clearance
>> for the intake manifold. You also need to luck out and get all the Diesel
>> parts to do the conversion. The 15 degree angle approach, like I am doing
>> at Fast Forward ( http://www.fastforward.ca ) does have it's limitations
>> too. You must raise the engine lid about 5 to 7 cm or lower the engine 5
>> to 7 cm (which BTW, do not loose 5 to 7 cm of ground clearance as compaired
>> to the original boxer engine). Parts are more readly available for this as
>> our kit will be ready for sale by the end of the week. Our forth prototype
>> (same as final version) is installed in my Syncro and it does not affect
>> the skid plates at all. Changing the engine oil in the I4 is as simple as
>> changing the oil on the wasserleaker.
>>
>> I think the Subaru conversions are a practical engine swap as long as you
>> don't mind loosing ground clearance, which can be somewhat overcome with a
>> dry sump oil system. The other problem deals with maintainance. I
>> personally feel the most Volkswagen and Subaru dealships are going to look
>> at you quite funny if you bring your van in for engine servce. The Subarus
>> are also very complicated to wire up too.
>>
>> The advantage to the Volkswagen inline four engines is that all of your
>> parts come from one place so your keeping it all Volkswagen. The mechanics
>> at the dealership will have no problems servicing the inline four engine as
>> they are setup the same as any Golf or Jetta. The head mechanic at the VW
>> dealership where I live thinks the I4 swap is fantastic due to the
>> simplicity, availability and the price.
>>
>> I'm not trying to do a hard sell here, I am just trying to weigh both sides
>> of the argument. I sell both setups so it doesn't really matter to me
>> which direction you go. From what I can see the Subaru kit is a more
>> expensive and complicated setup. When it is running and you can live with
>> -6" of round clearance they are great engines offering more power than most
>> VW engines.
>>
>> If you have any questions please feel free to contact me, via the list or
>> via personal email.
>>
>>
>> At 13:23 17/05/1999 -0400, Markus Benne wrote:
>> >I'm having a hard time figuring out which VW engines fit in the
>> >Vanagon without moving the deck.
>> >
>> >Which Golf engines fit?
>> >
>> >Which Audi engines fit?
>> >
>> >Will a G60 equipped engine fit (my friend may have a line on one)?
>> >
>> >Do any of these reduce clearance?
>> >Will any of these interfere with the Syncro skid plate?
>> >
>> >My preference is still the Subaru but the loss of clearance is a big
>> >issue.
>> >
>> >Thanks a heap,
>> >...Markus
>> >
>> >ps: If anyone has direct experience with the Subaru conversion, please
>> >contact me.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> -- David Marshall - Vanagon List Admin - Quesnel, BC, Canada --
>> -- 78 VW Rabbit, 80 VW Caddy, 84 VW Westie, 85 VW Cabriolet --
>> -- 87 Audi 5000 Quattro, 88 2.0L VW Syncro Double Cab --
>> -- David's Volkswagen Home Page http://www.volkswagen.org --
>> -- Fast Forward Autobahn Sport Tuning http://www.fastforward.ca --
>> -- david@volkswagen.org (pmail) or vanagon@volkswagen.org (list) --
>>
>
>
-- David Marshall - Vanagon List Admin - Quesnel, BC, Canada --
-- 78 VW Rabbit, 80 VW Caddy, 84 VW Westie, 85 VW Cabriolet --
-- 87 Audi 5000 Quattro, 88 2.0L VW Syncro Double Cab --
-- David's Volkswagen Home Page http://www.volkswagen.org --
-- Fast Forward Autobahn Sport Tuning http://www.fastforward.ca --
-- david@volkswagen.org (pmail) or vanagon@volkswagen.org (list) --
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