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Date:         Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:17:08 -0800
Reply-To:     Mark Keller <kelphoto@ISLANDNET.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Mark Keller <kelphoto@ISLANDNET.COM>
Subject:      Contaminated fuel was Re: How does the Oxy Sensor Work/ go bad?
Comments: To: Doktor Tim <doktortim@rockisland.com>
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<HTML> Listees,

<P>I really want to understand if having a vented fuel system, with a fuel tank in the slipstream, can produce condensate inside the fuel tank.&nbsp; I've read many posts with the "clogged" fuel filter, power surging etc.&nbsp; My guess is that it is really water in the fuel filter that it the problem with surging, no starts and etc. in some vans.

<P>Is the vanagon's fuel tank up front, possibly more exposed to the wind slipstream, becoming super cooled, i.e. colder inside the tank than outside air. This would cause the&nbsp; the air temperature inside the fuel tank to become lower to the point at which moisture in air will condense from water vapor to water droplets.

<P>Simply put, conditions conducive to "rain" in the gas tank can occur at in high humidity low temperature situations.

<P>Perhaps this is why the fuel filter on our van is located horizontal and so large?&nbsp; Maybe this was a cheaper fix/ solution in "most" operating conditions, that to put a non-vented fuel system in the van. <BR>&nbsp; <BR><I></I>&nbsp;<I></I>

<P><I>Doktor Tim wrote:</I><I></I>

<P><I>&nbsp;Look elsewhere for your problem if the filter is in good order.</I> <BR>&nbsp; <BR>I.&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for the info, but the surging problem disappeared after adding a product to disperse water in my fuel. So I'm looking at how address water in the fuel. <BR>&nbsp;

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <I>The fuel filter (Bosch) is designed to stop the passage of water. It will clog before it gets through, by design.</I>

<P>I.&nbsp; The fuel filter's position, Horizontal, does seem to give water a place to collect, acting as it were to be a water separator.&nbsp; I'm not aware though of any "media" that would plug at the introduction of water.

<P>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <I>Gas and water do not mix.</I>

<P>II.&nbsp; While my van is parked level, my drive way is 11 degrees inclined; so when I back out the horizontal filter with it's load of water gets sloshed.&nbsp; If the filter has some water in it, water&nbsp; may be introduced into the fuel line pickup.

<P>Sincerely,

<P>Mark Keller <BR>91 Carat <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> &nbsp; <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>If water <BR>does get through, it will take very little time to clog the injectors and <BR>won't run.

<P>Doktor Tim <BR>Maintenance Repair and Restoration of European Vehicles <BR>San Juan Island, WA</BLOCKQUOTE> &nbsp;</HTML>


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