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Date:         Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:09:56 -0500
Reply-To:     Bulley <gmbulley@BULLEY-HEWLETT.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Bulley <gmbulley@BULLEY-HEWLETT.COM>
Subject:      Re: Air intake "scoops"
Comments: To: Paul Schiemer <schiemer@MAGICNET.NET>

Most interesting to my, because on my Air-cooled Vanagon, I know EXACTLY how air gets from the top of the motor box to the back of the van...through my motor.

G. Matthew Bulley Bulley-Hewlett Corporate Communications Counselors www.bulley-hewlett.com Cary, NC USA 888.468.4880 tollfree

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-----Original Message----- From: Paul Schiemer [SMTP:schiemer@MAGICNET.NET] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 3:08 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: Air intake "scoops"

Mr. Bulley wrote: > So, if I read you correctly, our VW-designed ducts are better than any > home-grown scoopy-de-doo shapes? Make senses when you reference the > pressure wave forming and cite the shape of current race-car ducting.

Yes. During testing in a wind tunnel (Lockheed/Martin) a comparison was made between NACA ducts and a series of (what is called) 'positive shape' scoops. ['Scoops' were items that protruded beyond the surface of a panel, in a number of different materials and shapes. 'Ducts' were cut into the panels for that part of the testing.] Goal for the testing was to see if the volumetric increase of flow (called SCFM) was substantially better with a duct or a scoop. Measurements were made from 5 mph to 200 mph, all telemetry (24 points) was fed into a computer and analyzed. A graph was produced for comparison purposes. [This is real simple stuff, don't want to make it sound like voo doo.]

Across the board there was a point where the scoop outperformed the duct, but, the duct delivered more volume when compared to the entire breadth of velocity. In other words; the duct was better, overall, than the scoop, although the scoop was best at one spot. [There was some ramping effect, as the velocity approached optimal performance for the scoop. Although, beyond that point, the performance dropped with almost the same exponential curve.] Problem with scoops on cars is that you drive at varying velocity, and rarely do you get into the 'sweet spot' of the scoop.

Also, a thing to remember about moving air into the engine compartment; it has to have a place to go afterward. I'll bet there aren't many here who know where the outbound ducting is on the average vanagon. You can force a lot of air into a cavity but it's just as important to remove it as quickly as it goes in, otherwise it becomes dormant (useless).


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