I'm sure they include guides and seats.  If not, you would need to send the heads to a machine shop as soon as you got them.  We've purchased many bare heads, and the "bare" implied that no valves, springs, caps, etc were included.  The bare prices are not much different than the loaded heads - if it were me, I'd get the loaded heads and save yourself the hassle.  And if you have the sodium filled exhaust valves that you want to put in, simply swap them in.
 
Z
-----Original Message-----
From: Darrell Boehler [mailto:midwesty@MIDWEST.NET]
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 8:46 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: True cost of AMC heads for 1.9L and 2.1L: bare for $240 to $216!

Hi Bob,
    These are great prices. I was at the web site and have been trying to discern if the bare heads include guides and seats. I would be interested in a pair for a 2.1L.
 
Darrell
   
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Lilley
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:11 AM
Subject: True cost of AMC heads for 1.9L and 2.1L: bare for $240 to $216!

http://www.cylinderheads-marnal.com/
http://www.cylinderheads-marnal.com/products.htm

Price
Disc. 1 = The purchase of TWO cylinder heads of the same kind.
Price
Disc. 2 = The purchase of TEN cylinder heads of any kind.



Part No.
O.E. No. Description Price Disc.1 Disc.2
910084
 

1.9 Water Cooled Vanagon '83-85 (Bare)
240.00
232.00
216.00

910184
025 101 065
(Same as above) Complete with valves & springs
280.00
272.00
252.00

910085
 
2.1 Water Cooled Vanagon '86-91(Bare)
240.00
232.00
216.00

910185
025 101 065C
(Same as above) Complete with valves & springs
280.00
272.00
252.00


You could get the heads bare and use your German valves (if you have the
sodium filled exhaust can reuse once)

Any shops want to buy for a group purchase?  I have mine but others might
want a set cheap.

Complete heads in sets of 10 with a 50% markup is only $378.

Is there a shop on the list that will sell them for a less markup?
Maybe they can sell to a group purchase if there is enough interest.
If they do you could get TWO heads for a little more than one head.  Add your
hardware and save some money.


Robert