Marshall is right. But be aware, if you have = an asphalt drive, that oil will gradually dissolve the tar-sand mix. As I = remember my chemistry, TSP shouldn't further damage asphalt, but if you're cleaning = up oil spills on asphalt, go carefully. A few years back I put some holes = into asphalt with a std. pressure hose nozzle - where the oil spills had been = standing for some time, loosening the material. Best practice for = concrete and asphalt is don't let oil (or other) spills stand too long.

----- Original Message -----

From: Marshall Ruskin

Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 = 8:17 AM

Subject: Re: Vanagon was = here

Spray some water, sprinkle TSP = (trisodium phosphate) onto water, enough to form a paste, brush vigorously with a = stiff brush, wait 30 min, hose off, dilute the runoff tremendously if possible....

You can get TSP at WallMart in the = home paint department. It's a powder and comes in many size packages, and is a = good staple to keep in your dangerous goods cabinet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 = 6:17 AM

Subject: Vanagon was = here

Does anyone know of a driveway = cleaner that actually works? I need to remove all of my vanagon deposits = (oil and brake fluid mostly ) from the conctrete. Thanks in = advance