I guess we are the only true capitalist = society left in the free world. And that is a good thing.
You know what, John, I don't pay a damn = cent for my health care. Do you know why? Because I have a union job that the = employer pays 100%. Guess what, there are plenty of those kinds of jobs out there. But = people are too lazy to get off their asses and work.
As for all of the countries that have = "free" health care, who is really paying for it? I bet if you asked people in these = countries how much they pay in taxes, it would be close to 45% of their income. So = you see, it is not free. They are still paying for it, but instead of some = company with shareholders that make a profit too; they are paying it to the = government and no one but the government is making a profit.
And as for this "free" health care, why = do so many Canadians come done here to get treatment? Sure, they have cheaper = drugs, but at what cost. Our cost here in America. Do you know why? The Canadian = government tells drug companies how much they can charge., and most of the time it = is at a loss to said drug companies. So, in order to make up this loss the drug companies charge you and I more. So yet again, someone is still paying = for this "free" health care.
Nothing is free. Everything has a price = and that's the way capitalism works. And capitalism is what makes this a great country.
Peace out,
Peder
'84 Westy
----- Original Message -----
From: John Pronk
To: pederparizek ; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM =
Sent: Thursday, September 13, = 2001 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: America

Most western countries outside of the = USA have "free" health care as you call it. They are not communist countries.
They believe society should share the = cost of providing a basic health care level for all its citizens. This is = achieved through taxes or levies of some kind. They do not believe that a basic level of health care should be directly related to the size = of your wallet. The same applies to education.
By your definition the following = countries are communist
UK
Germany
Australia
New Zealand
Netherlands
Switzerland
Ireland
Austria
Denmark
Sweden
Norway
France
etc etc etc.
This must mean you are the only non = communist country in the world!
Regards
John.
----- Original Message -----
From: pederparizek
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM =
Sent: Thursday, September 13, = 2001 20:54
Subject: Re: America

These people are not bums, they are = communists. These are the same people that want the government to give us free = health care (communism). What's next free housing, free cars, free food. = Everyone needs to realize that just because it is free to you, means that = someone else is paying for it.
Here in America we pay for what we want.
Peace out,
Peder
'84 Westy 

If I may add to what you = wrote, selling on the list is allowed on the list.
So anyone who = complains about it is on weak footing.

I sell things occasionally = it's a service to the Vanagon community. No one
except communists or = bums expect it for free. even when I have been broke, I
chose to go = without rather than beg.
So, we bring back the meaning of the term = bum-a person who is not willing to
work for what he wants, and = thinks everyone owes him a living, or vanagon
parts for free. =

But the politically correct way of addressing them is now(homeless). My = Mom
used to warn when I was young-"you don't want to become like = the bums on skid
road, do you"?Bums!
I have got a lot of vanagon = stuff free-does that make me a bum? Well, we used
to have a = junkyard, and stuff was free on the hulked vanagons heading to the =
crusher...

Robert K
1982 Westfalia