Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:24:28 -0800
Reply-To: Ron 'Coyote' Lussier <coyote@MACROMEDIA.COM>
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From: Ron 'Coyote' Lussier <coyote@MACROMEDIA.COM>
Subject: Re: STICKER CHOOSING
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STICKER CHOOSINGWell, it's been a long time since I lived in the country.
Here in SF, we have both gay (Castro) and hippy (Haight) communities, and
the distinction between a hippy and gay rainbow is pretty clear.
Coyote
P.S. I have the dancing bears on my van... which are in the same colors as
the gay rainbow. Guess I'm a bit of both. (See W14 on this page:
http://nynewmusic.com/deadshop/stickers.htm)
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf Of
Josh Monson
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 10:12 AM
To: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com
Subject: STICKER CHOOSING
My intentions are "all good" here.
First I would like to say that EVERYONE who has brought up these
"sticker choosing" topics has made very good points in that these
stickers represent VANAGON.COM and nothing else.
I think it would only be respectful to ALL list-members that we go with a
sticker that
does only represent our mail-listing and those of us here in this
cyber-community.
Some of us like the "dead" and some of us like Death Metal, that is not
the point.
Nor is our sexuality or our political views ,
the point here is that there should be no connection to those personal
views.
Our stickers should not portray anything that we are not, Ron if you want
to be recognized
as a gay-member of vanagon.com then maybe you can make that rainbow
sticker yourself
or if those of you who feel the dead is an important representation of
yourselves
being involved with the listing, then GO FOR IT! ! ! I think that is
great, individuality
is the essence of life.
But i think we all need to agree that these stickers represent "THIS"
community
and not other communities with their affiliations.
I want to be able to drive down the road and know whether or not "YOU" are
a listee or not, and if your not then maybe you'll see my sticker and go
to
the site and join the community. I think if we affiliate these stickers
with
other "communities", then some people on the list may not want to use them
and that would be an outright shame.
Cheers
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron 'Coyote' Lussier [mailto:coyote@MACROMEDIA.COM]
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 9:13 AM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: List sticker lobbying, my .02
> Although I support a political party, my van doesn't wear a bumper
sticker
> advertising it. I like the Dead, but would not want to have dancing
bears
> on the back of my van. My understanding, and the understanding
> of others I
> deal with regularly, is that the spectrum style bumper and window
stickers
> have been adopted by the gay community.
>
> At the risk of sounding politically correct, I would like to
> suggest that we
> be a bit cautious in selecting this sticker. I don't want to
> advertise this
> group or myself as being aligned with anything but our vans. Vanagons
are
> not male, female, gay, or even musically inclined. They are inanimate,
> wonderfully (for the most part) designed, vans.
Karl,
As one of the few openly gay people on the vanagon list, let me
emphatically
say that Ron's sticker number 4 is not a gay symbol. The 'gay flag'
consists of 6 discrete colors, on a very precise top-to-bottom order: Red,
Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Purple. These colors are never portrayed as
a
spectrum.
For reference, see the following pages
http://www.swade.net/swadepages/gallery/
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/scotts/bulgarians/rainbow-flag.htm
l
Coyote
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